Jamison or Maggette

mhectorgato · Post #21 » by **mhectorgato** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:25 pm

theTHIEF wrote:well, you never know...deals can be done

True, but it's hard to imagine without us trading Hedo or Jameer (if they are rebuilding). Perhaps with S&T for one our SGs.

lovehoops01 · Post #22 » by **lovehoops01** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:14 am

I'd prefer to wait until after the playoffs to address any of this. I only want to think about the players on this team right now, root them on and see how they do in the playoffs. I don't want us (or the team for that matter) to get ahead of ourselves.

I don't know if the playoffs would change my mind much about what we've seen the weaknesses of the team be during the season anyway. Different things might show up during the playoffs, but that might just be the matchup and not necessarily solve the team's overall problems. A different matchup, and other problems might show up.

I would think it would be very difficult to get either Maggette or Jamison. Jamison is considered a team leader by the Wizards' coaches and front office, Clippers ownership loves Maggette, and both already make more money than the MLE. In that case, their current teams would have to agree to a sign-and-trade, and I doubt that happens. Besides, who says either player is interested in playing here? People say that Corey wants to because he used to play here, but I haven't heard him say anything like that in many years. Maybe he's an L.A. guy now.

mhectorgato · Post #23 » by **mhectorgato** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:51 pm

lovehoops01 wrote:I would think it would be very difficult to get either Maggette or Jamison. Jamison is considered a team leader by the Wizards' coaches and front office, Clippers ownership loves Maggette, and both already make more money than the MLE.

Not unless they opt out, providing they have the clauses to allow them to do so.

Our biggest hope in this regard, would be that player X wants to join Dwight, Lewis, Hedo and Jameer to make a seriously competitive team, and build a championship team.

I'm not holding my breath for a big name in the off-season - not that we necessarily need one.

N4U|Redux · Post #24 » by **N4U|Redux** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:08 pm

craig01 wrote:The playoff success (or lack of) should establish the "want/need list".

drsd · Post #25 » by **drsd** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:31 pm

The more I think about this, the more I think GM Smith will go after a new SG over a new PF. If that's true, a Maggette type would look very good in Magic Blue over the starting core the Magic have now.

orl1724 · Post #26 » by **orl1724** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:30 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:For me it's Corey, and not even close.

What about our PF issue? Would you keep Lewis at PF? Make Battie our PF? I think Jamison at PF and Evans at SG is better than Battie and Maggette

drsd · Post #27 » by **drsd** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:46 pm

orl1724 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

What about our PF issue? Would you keep Lewis at PF? Make Battie our PF? I think Jamison at PF and Evans at SG is better than Battie and Maggette

The discussion is more about:

PG - Nelson
SG - Maggette
SF - Turkoglu
PF - Lewis
C - Howard

vs.

PG - Nelson
SG - Evans
SF - Lewis
PF - Jamison
C - Howard

These are VERY different starting rosters.

MagicFan149 · Post #28 » by **MagicFan149** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:06 pm

this whole year ive been thinking maggette would be huge on this team... although our lack of offensive rebounding would make you think we need a pf first i really think that maggette's rebounding from the sg spot would help us in that aspect... i just dont see jamison giving us much more than shard at the 4... and wed probably have hedo on the bench if we brought jamison in... would the mle get maggette though??

spinedoc · Post #29 » by **spinedoc** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:17 pm

mikegraphix wrote:Hes making 8.4 if he doesn't opt out why would he opt out and come here for less?

He's not going to play for one more final year. He wants an extension beyond next year. Your assuming that his contract will continue to grow beyond 8.4M per, and that just might not be the case. I believe either he will opt out of his contract this summer and restructure a new deal, either with the Clips themselves or a sign and trade with another team, or he will pick up his option and the Clips will trade him before the deadline passes next year. I don't believe he will get a six year deal with a starting salary of 8.4M. Look at the Pacers when they passed on Corey when they were trying to move Artest. They investigated his foot very closely and didn't like what they saw. It could bring his price down.

A new deal might be just above the mle to rule out a good majority of the league being able to get him for that, something around 6-7M starting with max raises over six years imo. The mle is projected to be around the 5.5-6M mark. Cook and Bogans could work totaling 6.5M with a future first, or we could add Redick at 2.1M if we are truly bidding against another team, which would take the total back up to what his option is at. Its tricky when dealing with the Clips though. They don't like to take on a lot of salary over there. They may be distracted by Brand and Livingston's contract extensions to worry too much about Corey. With them already paying big amounts to Kaman and Cat, they might just let Corey walk without taking on anymore salary, but either way I think Corey is a final piece type of player for us. I'd go after him very aggressively.

Jigish · Post #30 » by **Jigish** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:29 pm

No. Corey's never played an entire season his whole career. Ive had enough of that with grant hill and penny hardaway. NO FOOLS GOLD! =] go for jamison!

richboy · Post #31 » by **richboy** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:36 am

Lots of things could happen this offseason. Right now its difficult to know who is under the cap or not. If Brand opted out the Clippers suddenly could be under the cap. Then perhaps they don't want Maggette and make a run at Arenas.

The Corey thing could happen but it would have to be sign and trade. I don't see him signing for ML money. I'm sure Corey would love to point to Rashard Lewis contract. Thats not going to happen and instead what Nocioni and Gerald Wallace received seem more likely. I see Corey likely taking a Clipper offer before signing for the MLE.

Post #32 » by **Bensational** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:30 am

craig01 wrote:Before deciding anything, I think you'll have to let the playoffs tell you what your needs are.

Conventional vs. unconventional?

The playoff success (or lack of) should establish the "want/need list".

good call. and i'm expecting PF and PG to be the most exposed positions in the playoffs. and i'm not trying to start a debate about that. but with that in mind, it'd make Jamison a better fit out of these two options.

although personally, i don't see Jamison signing for that little.

AdamTheGreek · Post #33 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:30 pm

For those complaining that Corey is injury prone, Jamison isn't exactly an iron man either.

MJallday59 · Post #34 » by **MJallday59** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:47 pm

1. I don't think we'll move Turk to the 2 spot until we get another help side defender in the front court. He's great but not good enough to defend 2 guards.

2. Hedo isn't coming off the bench anymore for anyone - Not Jamison and not magette...

fugop · Post #35 » by **fugop** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:07 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:For those complaining that Corey is injury prone, Jamison isn't exactly an iron man either.

Jamison has missed games in two out of the last eight years. If he's not injury-averse, I'm note sure who is.

Post #36 » by **nate33** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:39 pm

You guys have no chance whatsoever at getting Jamison. Zero, zilch, nada. It's a complete pipe dream. An illusion. A fantasy.

You have no more than the MLE available. Washington will easily be willing to sign Jamison to a long-term contract worth at least $8M a year and probably more. They have sufficient room under the lux tax to pay Arenas and Jamison a combined $25M a year if necessary. They will both be resigned.