Quincy Douby

Trojans5 · Post #1 » by **Trojans5** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:51 am

How do you guys think hes playing? I think he is getting to be a good ball player and show get more time in the future.

Post #2 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:05 am

I'm still not all that thrilled with him. I would have no problem moving him for a pick or as filler.

SacKingZZZ · Post #3 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:13 am

Hopefully he gets more time. In order for him to fit on any team he is going to have to find a role. He is a scorer by nature so him doing anything else is going to make him look really bad. Just like a John Salmons for instance.

a-rod · Post #4 » by **a-rod** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:24 am

He should play his natural position and thats 2 guard, he is best at that position, he just needs consistent minutes and he will be fine.

Post #5 » by **Wolfay** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:27 am

He's just barely above scrub in my opinion. A lot of Kings' fans overrate him.

SacKingZZZ · Post #6 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:43 am

Wolfay wrote:He's just barely above scrub in my opinion. A lot of Kings' fans overrate him.

Not the problem really. The problem is that he's been here for 2 years now and hasn't played enough to truly be "rated" one way or the other. We just need to find out for sure. Bust or not, hopefully we find out and hopefully he gets a chance to show his stuff.

Post #7 » by **Wolfay** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:53 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not the problem really. The problem is that he's been here for 2 years now and hasn't played enough to truly be "rated" one way or the other. We just need to find out for sure. Bust or not, hopefully we find out and hopefully he gets a chance to show his stuff.

Regardless if he's good or not (he's probably not, otherwise he would be getting consistent minutes), his services aren't needed. If he can play at all, it'll have to be at the 2, and we already have Martin and Salmons at the 2, and Garcia can even play the 2. Trade him or waive him.

Post #8 » by **KF10** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:55 am

a-rod wrote:He should play his natural position and thats 2 guard, he is best at that position, he just needs consistent minutes and he will be fine.

Bac2Basics · Post #9 » by **Bac2Basics** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:33 am

I think Douby's got talent but for whatever reason, just doesn't seem to be a good fit with the Kings.

I think it would be better for all involved if he were traded.

Post #10 » by **ICMTM** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:54 pm

Douby's like a box of chocolates....

_SRV_ · Post #11 » by **_SRV_** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:05 pm

Kings rookies usually make their progress during 3rd year, we're gonna have to wait, Douby is a special case because there are 3 players ahead of him.

PaKwAn · Post #12 » by **PaKwAn** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:07 pm

^ Yep they usually make progress during their 3rd year but on their 2nd year they already show signs of what they can do and contribute..Quincy we all know can score but is inconsistent and will hoist alot of shots,i know it is due to his lack of playing time but i just dont see him helping this team alot.....If he were playing in a warriors type of play then thats where he can do most of his damage and him not playing the point but as a two guard...

Post #13 » by **KingInExile** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:52 pm

The problem with Douby is that he can't (or is not showing signs of being able to) fill the role that the team wants him to fill. The role he needs to fill is as a ball-handling combo guard who can be a spark plug off the bench backing up the 1 and 2. He does not have the ability to consistently run the point, which limits his usefulness.

SacKingZZZ · Post #14 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:52 am

Wolfay wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Regardless if he's good or not (he's probably not, otherwise he would be getting consistent minutes), his services aren't needed. If he can play at all, it'll have to be at the 2, and we already have Martin and Salmons at the 2, and Garcia can even play the 2. Trade him or waive him.

Tell that to Kevin Martin a few years ago. Or plenty of guys throughout basketball history that have proven later on, usually for other teams, that they really were "good".

This is supposed to be the time of year where teams hand the torch over to their young players to see what they have, let them build value, or deterimine how they fit in to their team and vision as a franchise. But, we seem to be in a state of denial about things and are continuing on business as usual and only hurting ourselves in the long run.

SacKingZZZ · Post #15 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:57 am

ICMTM wrote:Douby's like a box of chocolates....

I have a feeling Douby is like John Salmons. He's out there to put points on the board, giving him 2 shots a game in a 5 minute stretch ain't gonna cut it.

Post #16 » by **Wolfay** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:14 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Tell that to Kevin Martin a few years ago. Or plenty of guys throughout basketball history that have proven later on, usually for other teams, that they really were "good".

This is supposed to be the time of year where teams hand the torch over to their young players to see what they have, let them build value, or deterimine how they fit in to their team and vision as a franchise. But, we seem to be in a state of denial about things and are continuing on business as usual and only hurting ourselves in the long run.

Rick Adelman is notorious for not playing newbies unless he's forced to. Guess what though, Rick Adelman isn't our coach anymore so quit using the Kevin Martin comparison! Douby can get all the minutes he wants during practice, and if he impresses there, he'll get minutes during the game. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. Even if he's good, there's no place for him here, making all of this arguing pointless.

And that whole "passing the torch to your young guys" thing is crap. You pass the torch to your GOOD GUYS, otherwise you'll never win anything. All of these people saying we should play the youngins and try to get the highest possible draft picks are really getting on my nerves. That crap really doesn't work.

SacKingZZZ · Post #17 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:35 am

Wolfay wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Rick Adelman is notorious for not playing newbies unless he's forced to. Guess what though, Rick Adelman isn't our coach anymore so quit using the Kevin Martin comparison! Douby can get all the minutes he wants during practice, and if he impresses there, he'll get minutes during the game. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. Even if he's good, there's no place for him here, making all of this arguing pointless.

And that whole "passing the torch to your young guys" thing is crap. You pass the torch to your GOOD GUYS, otherwise you'll never win anything. All of these people saying we should play the youngins and try to get the highest possible draft picks are really getting on my nerves. That crap really doesn't work.

We were also a playoff team fighting for a playoff seed! What's the excuse now!

Hate to tell you bro, our "good guys' aren't winning much here. :-?

And for the last time it's not about draft picks. Especially now, we are pretty much locked into the pick we have, consider it icing on the cake. If icing was bird ****. Haha.

We are supposedly "rebuilding" well it's time to put up or shut up. The way I see it we can't build a contending team around Artest and Miller. It's a catch 22. In order to do so, we have to trade our young talent. Our young guys don't have enough value to land any real decent help or a legit "star" or 2, if you will, because they don't play. They don't play because, well.... you see that's where things get a little fuzzy for me, I really don't know why. Unless the NBA gives out a ribbon for 10th place or something I just don't get it.

Odds are we finish ahead of whatever team lands 9th in the east, and no way we catch the teams below us in the west so the "tanking" thing, sadly, won't even help at this point anyway. We need to start developing the players that will most likely be here long term. How much does playing Corliss all those minutes last year at the expense of looking at a young guy like Justin Williams or maybe someone else we could have looked at through FA do us now? We are repeating the same process.

We can't come into next year with the same team, it's just totally pointless. If something doesn't work you change it. We can't do "short term" any more. Time to think long term, and like I said, since we have already wasted the last couple of years it may not be all that bad or take that long to get back up. The worst part may already be over, unless we continues to sputter in mediocrity of course. The bad part of that is coming up here pretty quick we have to make some choices contractually on the young talent we already have, and we don't have near enough evidence to draw any concrete conclusions one way or the other. That's not good for what has become a perennial lotto team. It's insane if you really think about it. What other lotto team goes out and signs Mikki Moore to put in front of their lottery big man? To the tune of the full MLE nonetheless!!! Wow, I have to stop now, too depressing to think about. The insanity has to stop someday...right?

Post #18 » by **Wolfay** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:08 am

You're assuming that if we play the young guys more, they'll automatically get better. More minutes doesn't necessarily equate to better play. In truth, they're probably better off just playing in practice for now where their able to learn more fundamental things, and where their play can be scrutinized and improved more. Like I've been saying all this time, if they do well in practice, they'll eventually get minutes on the court!

And I hate to tell you bro, but it doesn't matter how hopeless or pointless it may be, the goal ALWAYS is to win. People don't pay to watch a whole bunch of guys "developing". That's basically paying to watch somebody go to school. Losing just breeds more losing anyway, so you have to give it your all.

SacKingZZZ · Post #19 » by **SacKingZZZ** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:14 am

Wolfay wrote:You're assuming that if we play the young guys more, they'll automatically get better. More minutes doesn't necessarily equate to better play. In truth, they're probably better off just playing in practice for now where their able to learn more fundamental things, and where their play can be scrutinized and improved more. Like I've been saying all this time, if they do well in practice, they'll eventually get minutes on the court!

And I hate to tell you bro, but it doesn't matter how hopeless or pointless it may be, the goal ALWAYS is to win. People don't pay to watch a whole bunch of guys "developing". That's basically paying to watch somebody go to school. Losing just breeds more losing anyway, so you have to give it your all.

I have never ever heard an actual NBA player say that. Now, that might be just because they want to play but c'mon now. You can only learn so much in practice. Trial by fire seems to be the way just about every lotto team goes about it. Are we a lotto team? Check.

I think losing is losing and we've already lost, at the end of the day it really doesn't matter how pretty you looked while doing it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Need to start focusing on the war.

Post #20 » by **Wolfay** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:46 am

It's pass 1:30 at night and I'm not much in the mood for debating, but I keep coming back for more. I think that's the definition of insanity.... Anyway!

SacKingZZZ wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I have never ever heard an actual NBA player say that. Now, that might be just because they want to play but c'mon now. You can only learn so much in practice. Trial by fire seems to be the way just about every lotto team goes about it. Are we a lotto team? Check.

I think losing is losing and we've already lost, at the end of the day it really doesn't matter how pretty you looked while doing it. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Need to start focusing on the war.

Lotto teams that do that tend to stay lotto teams. You needn't look any further than the Atlanta Hawks.

We are focusing on the war, we're just doing it differently than you imagined. Whether it'll work or not, time will tell, but I think if you and everybody else (including the Maloofs) let Petrie do his thing, you all will be pleasantly surprised.