Replace Tim Duncan with Karl Malone from 1999-2007 ....

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IF you were to replace Tim Duncan with Karl Malone on the Spurs from 1999-2007, how many titles?

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20
51%
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8
21%
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1
3%
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1
3%
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4
10%
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1
3%
6
4
10%
 
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Post#61 » by D.Brasco » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:19 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:I believe Duncan could have averaged over 27 ppg with good efficiency for several seasons, in a different system less based sharing the scoring load.

What I'm sure, though, is that the offence is stagnating and I need a player to generate something from nothing I'd pick him over Malone, and that's what makes a difference in the post season.


That's kind of stretching it. duncan is no shaq when it comes to scoring efficiency. when he has was scoring 25 ppg he was hovering just a bit over 50% fg. even now he's scoring under 50% fg.
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Post#62 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:27 am

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You misunderstood what I meant by "real question." I wasn't trying to say that's what this thread is about, but that it was a genuine question on my part.

Although I agree that Duncan could score 25 a game at his scoring peak, that's also different from saying that he could for a very long stretch of his career. Duncan certainly looks like he has the skill sets to do so, but I think the actual scoring performance of the Mailman is something we might be underrating a bit if we just say Player A has the ability to do so, but is not asked to and/or not given a chance to do so. Malone's volume scoring (with high efficiency) for more than a decade shows that he both had the ability to do so, and actually did so, too.


I don't know why you would think that Duncan could be a one hit wonder with this stuff. The dude has been the most consistently superb player in this league since Karl Malone.

Far more likely: The fact that his scoring peak coincided with his weakest supporting cast is not a coincidence.

EDIT: Just noticed that you "agree" that Duncan "could" score 25ppg at his scoring peak. Since Duncan did actually score 25ppg, I'm certainly glad that what actually did happen is something you imagine could have happened. :wink:
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Post#63 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:36 am

Actually he had a very good ts%, when he was scoring so much.
Btw, my point is that a player like him could have easily scored a few more easy baskets per game in a system that had him as a finisher more often rather than iso him.
His ability to use the angles, catch the ball, finish with both hands, occupy the spaces would imo make him comparable to Malone in that area.
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Post#64 » by tsherkin » Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:25 pm

brightsith wrote:Although I agree that Duncan could score 25 a game at his scoring peak,


Not the be a dick, but he peaked at 25.5 ppg, so there really isn't any question in this regard. He also managed a TS% of 57.6% pretty much underscores the point that he was a very efficient scorer (and that wasn't even his career-best in scoring efficiency, so it wasn't some random outlier season, either) and everyone knows that he had all the tools to score basically at will. I grant you he'd never score 30 ppg, or if he was asked to do so without the benefit of something like the Utah system with Stockton at the 1, his efficiency would drop, but he's a classic big man moreso than was Malone.

Malone's volume scoring (with high efficiency) for more than a decade shows that he both had the ability to do so, and actually did so, too.


Malone had a five-year peak in the late 80s and very early 90s where he was a high-volume scorer (basically 87-88 through 91-92).

Thereafter, he was a very good scorer for another 6 years or so (basically 26 or 27 ppg) and then he began to tail off as age forced upon him an increasing reliance on his jumper and his efficiency dipped.

Unlike Duncan, Malone's single-season best scoring performance came on an outlier season.

Malone set a career-high in FG% and TS% and that TS% was nearly 5% higher than his career average at 62.6% (he hit 60%+ only two other times in his career). The likelihood of Malone maintaining nearly 57% from the floor on almost 20 attempts a game over more than that one season is, of course, minimal (and, unsurprisingly, his 56.8% FG that year was 1.2% better than his next-highest performance in any other season).

Remember, Malone was a great, great scorer, yes, but unlike Duncan, he had some very consistent additions to his game outside the scope of his own talents that Duncan has not enjoyed. For 16 of the 18 years he was in Utah, Malone and Stockton started alongside one another (and both RARELY missed games).

For 15 of those years, Sloan was the head coach (Sloan started as the head coach in 88-89 after Layden finished the first 17 games of the season).

A decade and a half with the same coach running the same offense with the focus going through the same two players and the role clearly established for Malone as the high-volume scorer.

I think that says enough about the way Malone did his business; it certainly doesn't take anything FROM Karl, but if you plug Tim Duncan into that system, I don't think you find any problem with him scoring a fair sight more than he has in San Antonio.

Remember, Malone didn't hit the league with his uber mid-range jumper, nor was he more athletic than Duncan nor was he as capable in the low post.

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