Do u think that Marion is a star?

theFRANCHISE · Post #21 » by **theFRANCHISE** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:42 pm

all star, not superstar... not the main guy but the sidekick

Hoops23 · Post #22 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:01 pm

The market for SFs is getting cheaper. All he has to do is look at what Caron Butler, Gerald Wallace, Josh Howard, and Prince are making. Richard Jefferson tops off at 15 mil per year.

So I don't see why Marion, at 30, should be getting more than an average of 12-13, despite his resume. Those other guys can at least create their own shot, and shoot 3s at a higher percentage.

Rashard Lewis messed it up for everybody though.

Problem is his agent, Dan Fegan, also the agent of Arenas & Varejao. You know the reputation of this agent that he ask a lot and its hard to deal with.

DBurks2818 · Post #23 » by **DBurks2818** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:37 pm

That's true. Hopefully Fegan's learned his lesson.

BuLLzDoMaIn · Post #24 » by **BuLLzDoMaIn** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:25 pm

well there was no way marion was gonna come here and play his best,, not with how bad the team was. Next season with a new start fresh players top rookie he will be the star you guys want him to be

Flash4thewin · Post #25 » by **Flash4thewin** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:14 pm

Sidekicks can carry a team when the main star goes down, thats not marions game. Marion is geared more to a super role player, very important but not someone who can carry a team. Would you spend over 12 mil a season for a player like that?

mkot · Post #26 » by **mkot** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:01 pm

trick83 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Deal with it. the suns are better with shaq in the playoffs.

That still remain to be seen and I do hope the deal work out well for us.

Cheers.

Post #27 » by **heat4life** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:21 pm

People who keep comparing Marion to Caron Butler, Josh Howard and Ty Prince forget the fact that Marion has been in the league WAY longer than those 3 players and worked his salary to where is at today because of his performances and not by accident.

Caron Butler IS going to make $12 mil and more per season soon. Ty Prince and Josh Howard, while very good players, they are not in the same category with Caron Butler and/or a younger Shawn Marion.

Hoops23 · Post #28 » by **Hoops23** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:13 am

heat4life wrote:People who keep comparing Marion to Caron Butler, Josh Howard and Ty Prince forget the fact that Marion has been in the league WAY longer than those 3 players and worked his salary to where is at today because of his performances and not by accident.

I agree that Marion is way longer than those 3 players but he has a better 1st year salary in his contract extension he signed after his rookie contract.

Marion is now 29 and was drafted in 1999. He is now in the 5th year of his 6 year contract he signed in 2003, earning $16.4m. Caron Butler will earn $10.56m in his 5 year and he will be 31 years old by that time. Caron's salary in his 1st year of his new contract is around $7m compare to Marion $13.5m.

Caron Butler IS going to make $12 mil and more per season soon. Ty Prince and Josh Howard, while very good players, they are not in the same category with Caron Butler and/or a younger Shawn Marion.

Marion already receives $13.5m in his 1st extension compare to Caron who is just about to receive it probably in his 2nd extension. Ty Prince and Josh Howard may not be in the same category of Marion but the difference in talent is not much to warrant the difference in salary.

Post #29 » by **heat4life** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:52 pm

You do understand that Marion and Butler signed their extensions under different CBA agreements, right? You are truly wasting your time comparing salary structures not to mention that the market and situations when they signed their contracts were different.

If Caron Butler was a free agent this summer, he could easily command a contract in the $13 mil per season just like Marion was worth his contract when he signed it. But just like every HUGE contract (like Shaq's now), when a player ages a bit in a league where fans are in love with younger and potential over substance and quality, his contract becomes bothersome. Caron became an All Star AFTER he signed his extension just like Marion. Marion was a bargain when he was making all star games and playing in the olympics a couple of years ago.

Hoops23 · Post #30 » by **Hoops23** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:02 pm

You do understand that Marion and Butler signed their extensions under different CBA agreements, right? You are truly wasting your time comparing salary structures not to mention that the market and situations when they signed their contracts were different.

Its true and your point is Caron will get the $12m soon, right? I'm just telling here that it will take the 2nd extentsion compare to Marion who got it in his 1st extension.

You also mentioned Prince and Howard are not in the category of Marion thats why I mentioned the HUGE difference in salary while the difference in talent is not (huge).

dm17415 · Post #31 » by **dm17415** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:29 pm

BBallFreak wrote:Marion is not a superstar, but he is the ultimate role player (and a star). What he's brought here is leadership. He's been vocal. We need that. I hope he sticks around and finishes his career here (obviously, for less than $17 million a season)...

The problem is that he is looking for superstar money and thats one of the reasons we traded him as we didn't think he would've signed for a cheaper contract (8-12 million).

PatrickJNYC · Post #32 » by **PatrickJNYC** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:01 pm

Anyone know if Marion is gonna play this week ? He already missed 6 games this season and he never missed more than 6 since his rookie year in 1999-2000 when he missed 31. Thank you for any responses.

Post #33 » by **Lane1974** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:12 pm

probably not, he went for an MRI on his back
chances are he won't be playing much

HIF · Post #34 » by **HIF** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:13 pm

could keep his price a little lower.

Post #35 » by **GameTime_3** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:51 pm

I love what marion brings to the miami heat.Is he a STAR? No! but is he a Great player? YES! Every team has its star but the one thing people for get about when talking title is the role players. Marion is one of the best. The Real question that should be posted is, How much will marion Ask For and Is he Worth it?

If he asks for 12 million or less-IF this is the case then im all for marion. The guy will be a great 3rd scorer and at times 2nd scorer. He brings Defense,Shooting and Heart to the heat

If he ask for 13 million or More-See you later. Ill spend my money on some1 else.

Dream contract-Marion OPT out next year and resigns for 4 years 45 million