PG Situation: A better chance of getting Calder

Post #1 » by **BlackMamba** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:40 pm

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it sucks for garbajosa, but could this "dispute" between the raptors and the spanish federation give calder

taufblazers33 · Post #2 » by **taufblazers33** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:31 pm

muy bueno

cucad8 · Post #3 » by **cucad8** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:36 pm

Being a RFA, it doesn't give Calderon all that much of a choice of where he plays. Same thing happened with Bell last year in Milwaukee, he wanted to go to Miami, asked the Bucks not to match the offer, but they did, and I imagine Toronto would or could do something similar.

Post #4 » by **Billy** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:41 pm

Calderon could just take a one year tender if needed, and become an UFA at the end of the next year. It would be a gamble. He'd be the starter for all of a season rather than 3/4. But he may decide--especially if he wanted to leave Toronto--that if he plays out this next year and enters FA that there should be around 5-10 teams that would have the cap space to sign him.

cucad8 · Post #5 » by **cucad8** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:43 pm

Good point. I forgot about that option. Was thinking of teams offering him deals, and those just getting matched, not thinking about him turning them down. Well, I suppose it is possible, but if that's the case, I can also see him taking the MLE to play with Gasol in LA. He would get to play with a better Spanish player, and with a better team, at least currently.

Discovery69 · Post #6 » by **Discovery69** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:56 pm

TJ Ford has been playing well and wouldn't be surprised at all if Ford gets his starting position back by the beginning of next season.

It maybe a sign and trade deal with Portland if one did happen involving Jarrett Jack reuniting with his buddy Chris Bosh.

How about this trade on draft day? (since there is nothing else on Toronto's roster to trade for).

Jose Calderon (S&T) & '08 1st to Portland
Jarrett Jack, Channing Frye & '08 2nd to Toronto

Toronto needs a deeper bench and help at the PF/C. Calderon, Blake and Rodriguez would make it for an interesting core of PGs.

Wizenheimer · Post #7 » by **Wizenheimer** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:01 pm

on the other hand, this might actually discourage Rudy a bit from coming to the NBA, although I'm not sure how much attention the players pay to this stuff.

There is a bit of irony in that it isn't a lawsuit-happy American team suing, but the lone Canadian team.

Post #8 » by **mojomarc** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:02 pm

Discovery69 wrote:How about this trade on draft day? (since there is nothing else on Toronto's roster to trade for).

Jose Calderon (S&T) & '08 1st to Portland
Jarrett Jack, Channing Frye & '08 2nd to Toronto

Toronto needs a deeper bench and help at the PF/C. Calderon, Blake and Rodriguez would make it for an interesting core of PGs.

I can't imagine Toronto agreeing to that unless Calderon makes it absolutely clear he's not going to resign with them. It's pretty fair (no matter what Raps fans think), but Frye would be sitting behind Bosh and possibly behind Bargnani at his natural position. I would think they would want Jack and Martell or Jack and Outlaw, and most likely would want to exchange picks for this year.

If KP can't move up in the draft to get the guy he really wants, I think this would be a really nice move for us to make even if we have to trade out of the lottery. We simply don't need more mediochre first round picks.

Voodoo · Post #9 » by **Voodoo** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:47 pm

mojomarc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I can't imagine Toronto agreeing to that unless Calderon makes it absolutely clear he's not going to resign with them. It's pretty fair (no matter what Raps fans think), but Frye would be sitting behind Bosh and possibly behind Bargnani at his natural position. I would think they would want Jack and Martell or Jack and Outlaw, and most likely would want to exchange picks for this year.

If KP can't move up in the draft to get the guy he really wants, I think this would be a really nice move for us to make even if we have to trade out of the lottery. We simply don't need more mediochre first round picks.

I would do any deal involving Jack and anyone on the team aside from the obvious 3 for Calderon, anyone who wouldn't I think is nuts. Theres only three people on the team that are untouchable, even as good as Outlaw has played for most of the season with the exception of recently I would not consider him untouchable... Especially not if were talking a Calderon quality PG! Also I totally agree with you on the trading out of the lottery thing if we don't have a shot at Beasly or Rose.

breaker91 · Post #10 » by **breaker91** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:06 pm

Wizenheimer wrote:on the other hand, this might actually discourage Rudy a bit from coming to the NBA.

I posted something similar on this story a few days ago. I don't see it as a positive development for Rudy or other Spanish players considering joining a NBA team. I'm not sure how much Rudy himself will read into it, but I could see the Spanish b-ball federation putting some pressure on Rudy and other prospects that "think a little harder" on whether coming to the NBA is the best thing.

Joining the Blazers IMHO is the best thing long term for Rudy. However, given this current situation I'm sure the Spanish b-ball federation sees things differently.

PDXKnight · Post #11 » by **PDXKnight** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:49 am

The spanish Basketball Federation provides a headstart for players, but I don't believe that they can do much to turn a player away from the NBA. The NBA is by far the best basketball league in the world and I'm hoping Rudy will be able to see his opportunity with Portland.

UGotThrilled · Post #12 » by **UGotThrilled** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:53 am

The more i think about it, the less confident I become with how Rudy will fit in our lineup. The only thing I can see working is him at the two and Roy at the one. I guess in theory we could just replace Jack with him and have Roy play point with Rudy in the game (right now, Jack still ends up bringing the ball up the court a lot). But I think that some people would have to play out of their natural position.

ISB · Post #13 » by **ISB** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:03 am

I think Toronto is more likely to keep Calderon and look to deal Ford.

Wizenheimer · Post #14 » by **Wizenheimer** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:10 pm

I like Calderon too, but it needs to be noted that he is terrible on defense. Even the homerific toronto fans detest his defensive skills.

Post #15 » by **BlackMamba** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:28 pm

i thought he had a pretty decent defense.

1eyedjake · Post #16 » by **1eyedjake** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:12 am

How much cap space does Portland have?

If you could get hold of Calderon or, even better, Gilbert Arenas it would fast-track the Blazers in a massive way.

My feeling is that a veteran PG would be the way to go, and keep the pick to draft a SF.

Post #17 » by **Spykes** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:23 pm

1eyedjake wrote:How much cap space does Portland have?

If you could get hold of Calderon or, even better, Gilbert Arenas it would fast-track the Blazers in a massive way.

My feeling is that a veteran PG would be the way to go, and keep the pick to draft a SF.

We won't have any cap space this summer. So the only way we'd have a shot at Calderon or Arenas is via a S&T.

However, I agree with you quite a bit. I think getting a veteran PG is the way to go for the Blazers. Getting a young PG with potential certainly isn't the worst thing in the world, but I think a proven commodity can do a lot for this team.

Also, I'd really like to draft a guy like Greene. I was interested in him back when he was projected to be Top 5 material, and since that time, his stock seems to have fallen so that he might be available when we're pick.

d-train · Post #18 » by **d-train** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 6:06 pm

Sounds like the Raptors have a legitimate complaint. On the other hand, why is it the Spanish Federation's responsibility to provide an accurate translation? The Raptors could have got their own accurate translation or required the policy by written by an American insurance company?

Post #19 » by **Hassassin** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:31 pm

BlackMamba wrote:i thought he had a pretty decent defense.

There is nothing decent about it... unless you're talking about his run n' clap routine to bother the shooter :lol:

ebott · Post #20 » by **ebott** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:49 pm

Discovery69 wrote:TJ Ford has been playing well and wouldn't be surprised at all if Ford gets his starting position back by the beginning of next season.

It maybe a sign and trade deal with Portland if one did happen involving Jarrett Jack reuniting with his buddy Chris Bosh.

How about this trade on draft day? (since there is nothing else on Toronto's roster to trade for).

Jose Calderon (S&T) & '08 1st to Portland
Jarrett Jack, Channing Frye & '08 2nd to Toronto

Toronto needs a deeper bench and help at the PF/C. Calderon, Blake and Rodriguez would make it for an interesting core of PGs.

I would also be willing to take out Toronto's 1st and throw in our 1st, Blake and Outlaw. Making it a lop-sided looking...

Jose Calderon (S&T) to Portland
Jarrett Jack, Channing Frye, Travis Outlaw, Blake & '08 1st to Toronto

That wouldn't work under the cap because Calderon would become BYC and everything would break. It's a shame Toronto doesn't have any ridiculously stupid long term contracts. Cause I'd happily throw in LaFrentz for anybody they wanted.

But the closest thing they have is Rasho, who's contract is the same length and LaFrentz. So no help there.

We're not giving Calderon the respect he deserves in this thread. The dude is All-Star quality. There were a number of people complaining that he was not on the All-Star team this season.

This is going to sound like a ridiculous statement. But if KP called Toronto asking about Jose they would probably ask what it would take to get Aldridge.

To go a level beyond ridiculous, I'd consider it.

Which starting lineup do you like better...

Oden, Aldridge, Webster, Roy, Blake

OR

Oden, Frye, Webster, Roy, Calderon