2nd Greatest SF of All-time: Havlicek, Dr J or Elgin Baylor

[Warspite]

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I'd say he was as much a PG as Pippen was a PG (or Lebron, to give a current example). To me Robertson was more of a wing player with a handle/passing ability as good as most PGs.

Oscar handled the ball as much if not more than Stockton. To call him a wing player with handles of a PG is a great understatement. Oscar was a PG who grew 6 inches his senior yr of high School. Why stop playing PG just because your taller?

Oscar wasnt a wing player with handles. He was a PG with untraditional size and awsome ability.

[penbeast0]

Oscar was as much a PG than Magic . . . maybe more (repeating myself I know)

[Point forward]

I am a big Hondo fan, but Doc was greater. If Doc had played with the Celtics, there would have been a 1970s Celtics dynasty. Baylor has the highest peak, but also the shortest: he blew out his knees in mid-career and was "just" a good player after that.

[TheOUTLAW]

No doubt that Dr J was the second best SF of all time.

I do however believe that LeBron has a shot at the top spot. IMO the only thing that prevents him from being number 3 right now is time.

[Cevap]

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[halfHAVOC]

dr. J

[Warspite]

No doubt that Dr J was the second best SF of all time.

I do however believe that LeBron has a shot at the top spot. IMO the only thing that prevents him from being number 3 right now is time.

And Danny Ferry....


Hard to believe Ferry could go down in history as being teh LBJ stopper when he couldnt guard anyone before.

[conleyorbust]

Just cruious, on the whole where do most people rank Barry as a SF?

[penbeast0]

top 5-6 (long peak, great offensive skills, mediocre defense, took maybe the weakest championship team of all time and won a championship in Golden State).

[tsherkin]

top 5-6 (long peak, great offensive skills, mediocre defense, took maybe the weakest championship team of all time and won a championship in Golden State).

I'd argue the '94 Rockets as the weakest title team in NBA history; remember, Barry at least had Jamaal Wilkes, Clifford Ray and George Johnson. That's a lot more than the Jet, Vernon Maxwell, Otis Thorpe and some unproven young guys (2nd year Horry and rookie Alien).


At least IMO, anyway. Barry's '75 Warriors were certainly among the weakest title teams ever, though, that's very true.

[TheKingOfVa360]

Elgin Baylor. For you people saying Lebron what has he did that Baylor didn't do? Baylor's numbers are better, he had seasons where he scored over 30 and grabbed over 10 rebounds. He has been to the finals like 8 times! It's funny have people overrate current players.

1.Bird
2.Dr.J
3.Baylor
4.Hondo
5.Rick Barry
6.Nique
7.Pippen

[penbeast0]

You have to pace adjust the numbers, even without taking era into account. It makes a difference; how much of one I leave to you if you want to do the math.

[Doctor MJ]

Just cruious, on the whole where do most people rank Barry as a SF?

I have him, Baylor, and Hondo in constant debate in my head for the #3 SF spot.

[penbeast0]

Your head's going to get pretty crowded with another season by LeBron .. . 7 years in the league puts him in the peak longevity class with Baylor.

[Point forward]

Just cruious, on the whole where do most people rank Barry as a SF?

Barry would be Top 5 range in my book. He was murderous on offense (he once scored 55 pts in the 1967 NBA Finals with a prime Wilt Chamberlain guarding the basket) but also a really big whiner. But his underarm NINETY PERCENT foul shot was a sight to behold.

[TheSheriff]

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I have him, Baylor, and Hondo in constant debate in my head for the #3 SF spot.

Hondo's defense was far superior to Barry (like night and day really), and better than Baylor's.