OT: RIP Monkeyfeng06

[tsherkin]

Can't even see the post on the Blazers board that was the point of contention.

I can, however, pretty much guarantee that his appeal won't be heard.

He's got negative comments from a dozen different mods, two suspensions and a long and colorful history of irritating people and flagrantly violating the TOS.

Even if you take out the suspension notifications, he's got 17 comments in his profile from the last 2 years or so, which is very bad.

He's also got a history of lipping off to mods, insulting other posters and otherwise making a nuisance of himself.

Sorry guys...

[DelaneyRudd]

We got permanent records? What does it say about the time I posted the picture of the dead horse?

[Denizfeital]

Ok, my two cents here.

I dont understand this ban thing. Really.

He can simply create a new one nick name called themonkeyfeng06-II and start over again.

Someone said that they block the IP address. Well, I d say that most of Internet users use a dynamic IP address, every day you get a diferent one. they cant block them all. (Well, they actually can, but I dont think they would do it).

So, unless you are too sad to lose your account and all your posts, I think you shouldnt worry about it that much. Just create a new one and have fun.

Regards,

[DelaneyRudd]

Some mods hate me because i'm critical of the mods behavior. Mods need to question their own behavior sometimes. They allowed those racist thread back in the days. I was new to internet forum so I took it personally. Now, I don't mind them at all. They even posted questionable comments. For example, cyrus even started a thread about xbox 360 that was based on nothing. It turned out to be a fanboy comment anyway. He even threatened to ban me when I called his flame war comment "pathetic". "lipping off to mods"... how is that lipping? I have tried to PM, warn and post threads about other posters behavior. The thread in the Houston forum was wrong so I PM some mods and created a thread about that. Is that really lipping off to the mods? I'm trying to make this forum better but telling the mods to step in yet they think I'm lipping off to them....

Plus, it doesn't matter if I had a bad record. I have done stupid things before. I acknowledge that and I will take those responsibility. However, the reason I got banned is just absurd. I didn't say anything negative and I wasn't trolling in the portland forum. Even if the mods don't like me, they shouldn't have banned me just because I had a bad record. I didn't do anything wrong in the portland forum. If they banned me because I had a bad record then that's wrong. I will keep fighting!

For all the bad records, I have some good records as well. I have been helpful in the media forum and the fantasy football forum for a long time. I have given advice on many things and even some mods have PM me personally to ask for my advice. I won't say their names but they know who they are. How come realgm don't have a record for the good things posters have done? For each bad record I have, I also have some good records to counter that. I have spent many years on this forum and to say goodbye is hard.

I don't irritate other posters unless they start it. I can tell you right now they are the ones that started saying "oh, taiwan sucks" or "asian sucks" yet I'm the one that gets the blame or commenting about their racism and try to tell mods to stop it.

[DelaneyRudd]

I'm willing to create a new account to start a new. I don't need my old account. I just don't think this ban IP thing is right. I'm here to talk about sports not other things. If the mods want me to stick to jazz board and football then I can do that. I don't need to go to Off topic forum and make a fool out of myself. I love the Jazz and my bengals. I just want to talk sports on realgm and nothing else. This is a big loss to me.

[Pai Gow]

COME BACK MONKEY

[The Sheik]

a 21 hail mehmet salute for our fallen comrade...

[stevebozell]

Well, its hard to complain about having a few less homo-erotic threads started weekly here.

[Malone Strong]

Hail Mehmet!!! (x 21)

I will miss Monkey. I remember all the good things he did. I dont care about the dumb things he did because, well, we all have done dumb things. INCLUDING the mods. But that aside...I believe Feng added more value than he detracted......

One more Hail Mehmet for the hell of it!

[tsherkin]

I'm willing to create a new account to start a new. I don't need my old account. I just don't think this ban IP thing is right. I'm here to talk about sports not other things. If the mods want me to stick to jazz board and football then I can do that. I don't need to go to Off topic forum and make a fool out of myself. I love the Jazz and my bengals. I just want to talk sports on realgm and nothing else. This is a big loss to me.

This is something we've discussed before but because it's essentially unenforceable, it's unlikely to happen unless the upgrade makes provisions for this sort of thing. This, however, I will ask, regardless of all other issues.

Some mods hate me because i'm critical of the mods behavior. Mods need to question their own behavior sometimes.

True, but questioning them publicly is bad form and essentially backseat moderating, which is a TOS violation. That's the sort of thing that you bring up politely in a PM and if you don't get a response that's appropriate (e.g. polite and addresses your concern by explaining why you're wrong or indicating that they'll look to change the behavior), then you take it to another mod.

I'm plenty happy to field any kind of concerns of that nature; I'm a global mod, it's what I do. I'm one of the mods-above-the-mods, so I'm always about in case people need to discuss the actions of the other moderators. I also talk regularly to Chris Reina and Howard Mass (commissioners), so I can discuss things at that level as well.

But posting stuff like that on the forums in public, for all to see, that's definitely a big no-no.

They allowed those racist thread back in the days. I was new to internet forum so I took it personally. Now, I don't mind them at all. They even posted questionable comments. For example, cyrus even started a thread about xbox 360 that was based on nothing. It turned out to be a fanboy comment anyway. He even threatened to ban me when I called his flame war comment "pathetic". "lipping off to mods"... how is that lipping?

Precisely because you're doing just that. If you want to challenge a mod's behavior, that's well and good. Do so.

Don't aggressively characterize it in the negative in a public forum, make a legit complaint to them (and to someone else, if you want transparency) through PMs.

I have tried to PM, warn and post threads about other posters behavior.

This is backseat moderating; while we appreciate the sentiment behind it, it's actually a violation of the TOS. It's generally best to leave that sort of thing alone and let the mods find it themselves because we generally have a lot of problems with people being backseat moderators, so sometimes it's difficult to distinguish BS from good intent (and here, I don't mean to characterize yours in either light).

Is that really lipping off to the mods? I'm trying to make this forum better but telling the mods to step in yet they think I'm lipping off to them....

No, that's backseat moderating, which is a violation of article 1e of the Terms of Service to which you agreed when you signed up for the forums.

It's not lipping off to inform a mod of a problem somewhere else, but if you're frequently running around like a mod, it's outside the scope of your position as a non-moderator. "Lipping off" comes directly from saying things like what you said to Cyrus.

I'll give you this: mentioning the thread on the Rockets board was a wise idea, because apparently the mods there simply didn't see it or ignored it for whatever reason. In that particular instance, what you did was perfectly fine.

However, regarding lipping off, be honest.

He even threatened to ban me when I called his flame war comment "pathetic".

That's not what you said.

You said "Cyrus...you're pathetic," which is lipping off.

Plus, it doesn't matter if I had a bad record. I have done stupid things before. I acknowledge that and I will take those responsibility. However, the reason I got banned is just absurd. I didn't say anything negative and I wasn't trolling in the portland forum.

I can't comment on this because I can't actually find a post in your posting history that was made in the Portland forum.

Even if the mods don't like me, they shouldn't have banned me just because I had a bad record. I didn't do anything wrong in the portland forum. If they banned me because I had a bad record then that's wrong. I will keep fighting!

The ban process goes like this:

You work your way up to a 3-day suspension (which you had), then a 7-day suspension (which you had) and then after that, if you continue to be a problem poster, you're put up for a ban (which you received).

It comes after deliberation in the moderator forum about your caliber as a poster, your posting history, your impact in the posting community and that sort of thing. It was generally found that you were irreverent, disruptive and had a long history of being so.

How come realgm don't have a record for the good things posters have done?

It does, actually; if you're that meaningful as a poster, comments will be made and knowledge of that value will be spread.

I don't irritate other posters unless they start it.

Not valid; just because someone else starts something does not give you tacit permission to continue it. It makes you just as guilty of violating the TOS.

I can tell you right now they are the ones that started saying "oh, taiwan sucks" or "asian sucks" yet I'm the one that gets the blame or commenting about their racism and try to tell mods to stop it.

Well, you drew their attention to the thread (which was fine) but they noticed that you were baiting him and participating in the thread in a manner inconsistent with the TOS, so that's how it goes, especially given your rep.

Ok, my two cents here.

I dont understand this ban thing. Really.

He can simply create a new one nick name called themonkeyfeng06-II and start over again.

Someone said that they block the IP address. Well, I d say that most of Internet users use a dynamic IP address, every day you get a diferent one. they cant block them all. (Well, they actually can, but I dont think they would do it).

Sure, but the IP ban doesn't have to be as specific as that, they can block groups of IPs as well, which means they can stop anyone from his region because they only pull from a certain set of potential IPs.

Anyway, hopefully that clears it up a bit.

[pineappleheadindc]

We got permanent records? What does it say about the time I posted the picture of the dead horse?

Delaney - I can't speak for all the things in your permanent record. But I'll tell you that I've posted into it.

My comment in your permanent record says (so you know) that I had seconded another mod's observation that you were an interesting and funny poster. And I also noted that you owned the saddest tale of woe ever associated with one's loss of signature privileges. I hate to admit that your story made me kinda laugh (in part, at you); but at the same time if it were up to me, you'd have one last chance to have a sig again.

Pine

[ColdBlue]

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And I also noted that you owned the saddest tale of woe ever associated with one's loss of signature privileges. I hate to admit that your story made me kinda laugh (in part, at you); but at the same time if it were up to me, you'd have one last chance to have a sig again.

Hahaha... was it like a 'My dog ate my homework' type of tale?

[DelaneyRudd]

Thanks tsherkin, I'll pass along the message and try and stop being an in between. He's a nice kid and I feel bad for him.

[schneiderjazz]

So tsherkin, basically what you mean is this is a dictatorship. Don't **** with mods, right?

[pineappleheadindc]

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And I also noted that you owned the saddest tale of woe ever associated with one's loss of signature privileges. I hate to admit that your story made me kinda laugh (in part, at you); but at the same time if it were up to me, you'd have one last chance to have a sig again.

Hahaha... was it like a 'My dog ate my homework' type of tale?

Actually, that was me, not tsherkin that wrote the quote in your OP. But poor Delaney's tale of woe.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic. ... sc&start=6

[teksaz]

he must come back. he is a different colour.

[hoops4life]

He seemed like a good guy. Had good posts and was insightful jazz member. Drove me kind of nuts on the PS3 thread but that is half the fun.

[tsherkin]

Thanks tsherkin, I'll pass along the message and try and stop being an in between. He's a nice kid and I feel bad for him.

No, by all means continue; I appreciate that you've taken the time to bring this to my attention and that Monkey has had a chance to air out his concerns to someone other than a commish through the e-mail option on the webpage.

So tsherkin, basically what you mean is this is a dictatorship. Don't **** with mods, right?

Well, it is certainly an autocratic arrangement; RealGM is not a democracy, does not claim to be one and never has. We try to be fair and that doesn't always happen. We try to limit mistakes and reverse them when we can but that can't always happen either.

If you want to get scrappy with the mods, yeah, it won't go well. If you want to politely lay out your concerns, that's another matter entirely and if you feel you are being mistreated by a particular mod, there are more than a few of us to whom you can turn in order to address that issue.

Mods are drawn from the poster population and are therefore fallible individuals. As I said previously, if you want to air a concern, I'm always available. It may take me a while to get to my PM box because I'm not on RealGM 24-7 but I'll look into the issue and see what I can do. There are other mods who will do the same.

But in short, yes, RealGM is a dictatorship if you wish to look at it that way but you say that as if this is not both explicitly and implicitly stated in the TOS and in the general notion of the forums. The very idea of having commissioners and moderators precludes the notion of fully integrated "civic" participation, though we do offer you the option of reporting posts that you feel are flagrant violations of the TOS.

Think of it instead as a constitutional monarchy rather than a dictatorship.

[schneiderjazz]

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I was just teasing you about the dictatorship thing. I think we all know how the boards work. I was just kinda surprised when I found out Monkey was banned cause, at least on the Jazz board, he always seemed like a harmless poster.

[tsherkin]

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I was just teasing you about the dictatorship thing. I think we all know how the boards work. I was just kinda surprised when I found out Monkey was banned cause, at least on the Jazz board, he always seemed like a harmless poster.

Well, that's the danger of only knowing a poster in one forum; he wasn't banned for his activities in the Utah forum, he was (from what I infer), banned largely for his activities elsewhere.