Monta Ellis vs. Rashard Lewis

[SOUL]

What a silly comparison. Why not compare Allen Iverson to Al Harrington, while you're at it?

Anyways, Monta is clearly the better player than the 6 foot 10 guy who gets 5 boards per game.

Your overrating of Monta is hilarious.

[GswStorm3]

Shard is a natural SF playing PF next to best rebounding big man in the NBA. It's kind of unfair to knock his low rebounding too hard.

[High 5]

Hawks would take Ellis in a second over Lewis.

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Meanwhile, the 6'10'' guy is 2nd in the league in 3's. While the 6'2'' guy couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from out there. Clearly neither player is a prototype player at their position.

Who needs to shoot threes when you make midrange jump-shots at a 58% clip (82games.com)

I prefer players who play within their own limitations and focus on their strengths.

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Your overrating of Monta is hilarious.

When did I overrate Monta?

All I did was ridicule Rashard Lewis' mediocre rebounding ability, and deservedly so.

[cwas2882]

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Who needs to shoot threes when you make midrange jump-shots at a 58% clip (82games.com)

I prefer players who play within their own limitations and focus on their strengths.

58%? Ellis makes jumpshots at a 42.6% clip. Maybe you were thinking of Rashard, who hits them at a 53.6% clip. Making stats up won't help you win an argument.

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58%? Ellis makes jumpshots at a 42.6% clip. Maybe you were thinking of Rashard, who hits them at a 53.6% clip. Making stats up won't help you win an argument.

I read the wrong column, that's my bad.

So the stats pretty much establish that Rashard Lewis is a better shooter than Monta Ellis. But that's pretty much the line where Lewis' superiority ends.

[Cammo101]

I like how the Warrior fans in this thread are pointing out Shard's shortcomings while praising Monta's. Monta can't shoot, that's ok, he knows his limitations. In that case, Pat Garrity can't defend, so he just chooses not to. Good for him, knowing his limitations.

Monta is a very good player but he is more of an undersized 2 who can't evev shoot out the Horace Grant range jumper area and is a pretty average defender. Good player, but not the superstar a couple of W fans are making him out to be.

[yehyeh82]

I've stayed out of this argument, but I have to say two things.

1) Monta is a much better pg than anyone is giving him credit for. He really is a combo guard more than a two, and handles the ball fine. He makes good passes, but has one of the lowest conversion rates on assists in the league.

2) Monta can shoot, he just can't shoot a three from 23'. To say he can't hit a Horace Grant jumper is ridiculous. He can hit 20' fairly easily, and has become much better at it as the season has progressed. If he was playing in the 90's with Grant his 3 pt% would be higher since the line was about 2 feet closer than it is today. He has shot the corner 3 where its at the 90's distance a couple of times lately and you can tell that he has been working on that shot quite a bit lately. There is nothing to show that the 22 year old won't be able to improve on his 3 pt shot by the time he is, say, 25. He improves so much every year and has such a nice looking jump shot that I don't think he will stay at the 25% range.

3) Horace Grant is the ish. I used to run into him all the time at the restaurant I worked at and the card house in Pismo Beach. Real nice guy and his championship ring that he wears is beautiful. Wanna see the Warriors get one of those again someday, hopefully with Monta leading them.

[crzy]

I like how the Warrior fans in this thread are pointing out Shard's shortcomings while praising Monta's. Monta can't shoot, that's ok, he knows his limitations. In that case, Pat Garrity can't defend, so he just chooses not to. Good for him, knowing his limitations.

Monta is a very good player but he is more of an undersized 2 who can't evev shoot out the Horace Grant range jumper area and is a pretty average defender. Good player, but not the superstar a couple of W fans are making him out to be.

First of all. Neither Monta Ellis or Rashard Lewis are superstars, really by any sensible criteria.

Second of all, to claim Monta can't shoot is just ludicrous and shows just how little you've seen him play. Ellis' midrange jumper is widely praised as being one of the best around the league, and his ability to knock down that shot automatically is what opens up the rest of his inside game. He doesn't have a reliable three point shot yet. Whatever, it's his third season in the league. He can improve that. And if he DID have a three point shot, he'd probably be a top 5 scorer in the entire league.

Thirdly. Monta is not an undersized shooting guard. He is a scoring point guard. The distinction there is important. Warriors fans are perfectly confident in Monta's ability to run the offense should Baron Davis opt out this offseason and go elsewhere.

Neither of these two players are superstars, and I'm not even sure why we're comparing a tweener point guard to a tweener SF/PF, but Monta Ellis is the better all around, more effective, less flawed player with a much higher ceiling.

[SOUL]

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When did I overrate Monta?

All I did was ridicule Rashard Lewis' mediocre rebounding ability, and deservedly so.

I meant the AI/Harrington remark.. AI is a superstar while Harrington is a good role player.. I thought you were saying that..

anyway, they're both good players, Ellis will be a great player if he keeps his hot shooting up and keeps improving which I think he will.

[Cigamodnalro]

What a silly comparison. Why not compare Allen Iverson to Al Harrington, while you're at it?

Anyways, Monta is clearly the better player than the 6 foot 10 guy who gets 5 boards per game.

Why? One of the top FA's from last year versus conceivably one of the top FA's from this year. Furthermore, given each user's team affiliation, responses will vary by need.

[TNBT]

It really depends on your team's need. But why would you compare a combo gaurd to a combo foward?

I was thinking the same thing. If they were two players that played the same position or something, but this is a pretty odd comparison.