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Post#41 » by BassMaster » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:35 pm

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If Dooling is so loved by Riley, why didn't he re-sign him three years ago when he became a free agent? Dooling wanted to stay there then, too.

Cougar, I get the distinct impression that you are a Heat fan, you hope to dump Jason Williams and all the issues that come with him on the Magic (or maybe you're friends or something with him) or you hate Dooling or maybe some combination of the three.


You don't have to insult me just because my posts disagree with you.
Williams is a proven pg unlike what we have been seeing here at Magicland and so is Duhon.
I did some checking, what do you have against Duhon his time on the injury list has been min. Chris Duhon does not have any outstanding issues when it comes to injuries.
Dooling is from that area and the last time that Dooling was a free agent he wanted more money and more time and the Magic offered him the best deal.
Apparently the Heat are putting out feelers towards Doolings way to see what he would think about reupping with the Heat.
Plus his family are hoping that he will rejoin the Heat since they are all in the Ft. Lauderdale, Miami area.
One other thing most of the NBA teams have two pg's with one player who can both the guard positions like Dooling. Remember Dooling is not a true pg.
So if you disagree with me again instead of insulting me why don't you post something that is objective.
To me it sounds that you are not a fan of the Magic that you would like the team to implode so that you can get rid of certain players and Otis Smith.
See I can be insulting as well.
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Post#42 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:38 am

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You don't have to insult me just because my posts disagree with you.
Williams is a proven pg unlike what we have been seeing here at Magicland and so is Duhon.
I did some checking, what do you have against Duhon his time on the injury list has been min. Chris Duhon does not have any outstanding issues when it comes to injuries.
Dooling is from that area and the last time that Dooling was a free agent he wanted more money and more time and the Magic offered him the best deal.
Apparently the Heat are putting out feelers towards Doolings way to see what he would think about reupping with the Heat.
Plus his family are hoping that he will rejoin the Heat since they are all in the Ft. Lauderdale, Miami area.
One other thing most of the NBA teams have two pg's with one player who can both the guard positions like Dooling. Remember Dooling is not a true pg.
So if you disagree with me again instead of insulting me why don't you post something that is objective.
To me it sounds that you are not a fan of the Magic that you would like the team to implode so that you can get rid of certain players and Otis Smith.
See I can be insulting as well.


It's insulting now to think that someone is a Heat fan? Or a friend of Jason Williams?

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Williams is a proven pg unlike what we have been seeing here at Magicland and so is Duhon.


Yes, Williams is a proven point guard who baffled a lot of his coaches and now has a lot of issues with knee injuries. He had that huge game against Orlando, which was his best game of the season, and followed it up with a 3-for-11 and 5-turnover performance against Dallas, a 5-for-15 (with 10 assists) performance against the Milwaukee Bucks and a DNP against the Raptors.

Duhon has been a proven backup in this league, but there probably are a lot of those. I think he is a good defender. But I worry because he already has had surgery to remove a herniated disk in his lower back. It was successful, but backs have a way of flaring up over and over. He hasn't missed all that many games, but he plays hurt a lot. It's very admirable, but you never know when he might not be able to.


cougar13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
One other thing most of the NBA teams have two pg's with one player who can both the guard positions like Dooling. Remember Dooling is not a true pg.


And this explains why the Magic should try to replace Dooling with one of those other guys? Didn't you just say they need someone who can play both positions like he does? If the Heat have been contacting Dooling and/or his people or vice versa, isn't that a violation of the tampering rules and the Heat would need to be penalized? And if the Heat are interested in Dooling, doesn't that mean he might be pretty good and that they realize now how much they miss him? Doesn't that mean that the Magic maybe should try to re-sign him? Won't he be able to give the Heat a lot of information about the Magic if he goes back there, therefore putting the Magic at a disadvantage?

I'm not saying that you don't look at all options in case you can't re-sign him, but you're not even going to try? The Magic have his Bird rights. They could pay him more than the Heat if it came down to that, and unless the Heat make some roster moves, they only are going to have the MLE to obtain players.

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To me it sounds that you are not a fan of the Magic that you would like the team to implode so that you can get rid of certain players and Otis Smith.

If you believe that, that would be a first. Most people try to insult me by calling me a homer. I have spent hours and hundreds of pages defending Otis and his moves. Dooling is pretty popular with a lot of Magic fans. You don't think it might hurt for the Magic to lose Dooling to the Heat? I mean, a lot of people might recognize that Dooling is from Fort Lauderdale and good friends with Dwyane Wade and might want to return home. I have been writing about that for a couple years now. But a lot of people like Dooling and would not be happy if he does not return. Some people have posted that on this very thread.

I was not trying to insult you by calling you a Heat fan, but honestly, I don't see J. Will helping the Magic a lot. In his earlier days, yes, but he can't even play consistently anymore because of his injuries, and to imply that we should get him and not need a third point guard, too, well....that just doesn't make any sense. And if you are talking about replacing Dooling with him AND Duhon, then the Magic are going to have to spend more than their MLE signing two guys to replace Dooling when they could use Bird rights on Dooling and the MLE to address their other needs, like a power forward that doesn't mind mixing it up.
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Post#43 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:48 am

lovehoops01 it's not worth quoting all that since you just repeated your opinion.
What I posted about Dooling he actually said in an interview in the Miami press.
And also his father is also quoted as saying that the family would love him to rejoin with the Heat.
And the Heat have been quoted as they would like Dooling to rejoin the team when he becomes a free agent this summer.
Oh you issue about Duhon that is old news and has not bothered him and he has not been down for injuries this year and when he did play he played very well in fact better then our "starting pgs". He is starter compared to Nelson who is an overpaid backup pg.
Williams I don't think that the Magic would have to pay him a lot to get him to play here.
Carlos on the other hand is getting 4 million is final year and will want more I don't see the Magic ponying up that kind of cash for him or Dooling.
Evans on the other hand I do see getting a new contract with the Magic and yes more money.
If Dooling goes to the Heat it is not going to hurt the Magic considering all of the down time he has been having for the last two years.
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Post#44 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:06 am

cougar13 wrote:What I posted about Dooling he actually said in an interview in the Miami press.
And also his father is also quoted as saying that the family would love him to rejoin with the Heat.


I know what Dooling's father said. I actually was the one who first posted it on this board last season.

I went looking for that interview with Dooling and was unable to find it. I'm not saying he didn't say it, but I would like to read it. Do you have a link? He always has spoken positively about home.

cougar13 wrote:And the Heat have been quoted as they would like Dooling to rejoin the team when he becomes a free agent this summer.


I haven't seen those quotes. But perhaps you should post a link to those, too, or send the link to the Magic. Because if they did that they are guilty of tampering and the Magic can take up that issue with the league and the Heat should be penalized because under NBA rules, they are not supposed to talk about players under contract to other teams (which Dooling currently is).

cougar13 wrote:Oh you issue about Duhon that is old news and has not bothered him and he has not been down for injuries this year.


OK....ask anyone who has had back injuries and played in the NBA when back injuries become old news.

cougar13 wrote:If Dooling goes to the Heat it is not going to hurt the Magic considering all of the down time he has been having for the last two years.


It could hurt the Magic because he knows all kinds of stuff about how the Magic are run, what the tendencies of the Magic players are, what plays they run, what kind of recurring injuries current players have, etc. And about his salary....they are paying him about $3.7 million this season so the amount we're talking here wouldn't be a lot to go up.
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Post#45 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:14 am

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It could hurt the Magic because he knows all kinds of stuff about how the Magic are run, what the tendencies of the Magic players are, what plays they run, what kind of recurring injuries current players have, etc. And about his salary....they are paying him about $3.7 million this season so the amount we're talking here wouldn't be a lot to go up.


I found everything at HoopsHype, but they don't keep articles after a certain period of time since I went back to retrieve link. I do know that one of the articles came from the Miami Sun-Sentienl well I think that is the name of the paper.
Also I didn't know that you had posted that thing about his father the quote I saw was from this year Dooling's dad seems to have repeated this comment.
The Heat comment was from a "rumor posted at HoopsHype".

Just ask me about back injuries, but as long as you stay in shape and keep on swimming you can keep your back in great shape even after a disk problem. Aqua therapy works great keeping your back on an even keel and I am sure that Duhon keeps the pool work up at least once a week as JJ Redick does as well.
On the issure about what plays are run I am sure that they change and remember we already traded Ariza to the Lakers and he knew the teams plays so that is really a mute issue.
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Post#46 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:19 am

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On the issure about what plays are run I am sure that they change and remember we already traded Ariza to the Lakers and he knew the teams plays so that is really a mute issue.


Well, yeah, but the Lakers don't play in the Magic's division or state. The Magic only play them twice a year and aren't fighting for playoff spots and positions every year when both teams are good enough.
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Post#47 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:34 am

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Well, yeah, but the Lakers don't play in the Magic's division or state. The Magic only play them twice a year and aren't fighting for playoff spots and positions every year when both teams are good enough.


Remember how many trades this year and I don't think that the other teams found this to be a problem.
Question for you off topic what is the weather like where you are here is cold and snowing
I am moving to Orlando later this year to finish my college degree at University of Central Florida.
BTW I live right now in Syracuse, NY snow country. YUCK!!
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Post#48 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:41 am

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Remember how many trades this year and I don't think that the other teams found this to be a problem.
Question for you off topic what is the weather like where you are here is cold and snowing
I am moving to Orlando later this year to finish my college degree at University of Central Florida.
BTW I live right now in Syracuse, NY snow country. YUCK!!


Well, it rained this morning, but a cool front came through and now it's clear. It's supposed to get in the low 60s or high 50s this morning, and the high tomorrow is supposed to be between 77 and 79. Pretty normal weather for March. The temperature can drop into the 40s and get into the 80s (it was 87 a couple days ago).

Good luck at UCF. It's a good school. Are you going to play a sport there or just go to college?

I searched the Sun-Sentinel archives at sun-sentinel.com on the Keyon thing, and the only thing I could find from this year was this one sentence in a notebook from the Magic game.

"An impending free agent, former Heat point guard Keyon Dooling said he had no issue with the Heat allowing him to depart to the Magic when he became a free agent in 2005 and would be amenable to a return.''

That's all it said.

Is that the interview people have been talking about?
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Post#49 » by BassMaster » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:51 am

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Just going to college after beating cancer I find I don't have time for anything else, but I do love playing golf and down there that won't be a problem here that is another story. Only 3 good months to play golf.
It was a Q&A with Dooling and it was this year just a month ago I think it was from this year. He was interviewed when the Magic went down to Miami to play just recently.
That was part of the interview, but only a small part where on earth is the rest??????
Right now it is 27 here, but it feels like 14 the high for tomorrow is suppose to be 30 if we are lucky.
Around here we have basicly two seasons winter and summer and no inbetween. 5 years ago it snowed on Mothers Day the next year we had a high of 92 and humid that is the only thing we have in common with FL it is very humid here year round which makes winter here very difficult to handle the cold goes right through you. Now you see why I am moving can't take this weather or city anymore. This area is dying people are leaving a lot of people.
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Post#50 » by aleZ » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:11 am

Given the NBA's all about money and rings, I don't think The Ninja will leave Orlando (a contender or good team anyway) to be a part of another rebuilding process. We'll see how much money the Heat will put on the table, if they ever want him back.

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