Chad Ford Speculates On GM Opening

wichmae · Post #21 » by **wichmae** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:08 pm

Nickhex777 wrote:Bill Simmons from ESPN.com wants the job...he mentioned it in a recent post.....I say give it to him

we know

Post #22 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:12 pm

Nickhex777 wrote:Bill Simmons from ESPN.com wants the job...he mentioned it in a recent post.....I say give it to him

Bucks_Revenge · Post #23 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:14 pm

the only positive thing Sund has done for the sonics is fool the Bucks into trading Ray Allen..I dont think he will be able to fool any other GMs unless he can somehow fool Ernie G again into giving us Caron Butler.

trwi7 · Post #24 » by **trwi7** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:17 pm

Nickhex777 wrote:Bill Simmons from ESPN.com wants the job...he mentioned it in a recent post.....I say give it to him

SupremeHustle · Post #25 » by **SupremeHustle** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:18 pm

Simmons kinda dissed the Bucks and the revolt on his podcast, though. Calling it 20 people and whatnot.

InsideOut · Post #26 » by **InsideOut** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:41 pm

What makes a great GM? Jerry West gets called the best ever...why is that? He took over a Laker team that had Kareem and Magic. How hard is it to win with that group? Then Shaq decides he wants to be in movies and music and demands to play in LA. Then West goes to the Griz and they've done NOTHING. They may not have won a single playoff game under West. So is West great or a joke and how do you tell?

Look at Ferry with Cleveland. He built a team that went to the finals last season and he gets called a joke. West does much worse in Memphis and he's called a genius. To me these guys are all about the same. If you get lucky and get a Duncan, Shaq or MJ falls to you then people think you're great. If you are a GM in LA and players are willing to take less because of the weather, night life and endorsement deals then you again look like a genius. However, play GM in a city like Memphis or Milwaukee where you are forced to over pay to keep your own average guys then people tend to think you stink as a GM.

I'm sure some of these guys are a little better than others but my guess is an average GM would do better building a team for a rich LA owner than a genius GM working under a meddling Kohl.

Nickhex777 · Post #27 » by **Nickhex777** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:47 pm

Sorry Bucks fans, didn't mean to offend you. I just don't get to check in with breaking Bucks news and discussion on this forum as much as I would like.

Superfito · Post #28 » by **Superfito** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:05 pm

Nickhex777 wrote:Sorry Bucks fans, didn't mean to offend you. I just don't get to check in with breaking Bucks news and discussion on this forum as much as I would like.

Don't worry about it. People are just a little insecure about the fate of our beloved franchise right now.

Bucks_Revenge · Post #29 » by **Bucks_Revenge** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:18 pm

InsideOut wrote:What makes a great GM? Jerry West gets called the best ever...why is that? He took over a Laker team that had Kareem and Magic. How hard is it to win with that group? Then Shaq decides he wants to be in movies and music and demands to play in LA. Then West goes to the Griz and they've done NOTHING. They may not have won a single playoff game under West. So is West great or a joke and how do you tell?

Look at Ferry with Cleveland. He built a team that went to the finals last season and he gets called a joke. West does much worse in Memphis and he's called a genius. To me these guys are all about the same. If you get lucky and get a Duncan, Shaq or MJ falls to you then people think you're great. If you are a GM in LA and players are willing to take less because of the weather, night life and endorsement deals then you again look like a genius. However, play GM in a city like Memphis or Milwaukee where you are forced to over pay to keep your own average guys then people tend to think you stink as a GM.

I'm sure some of these guys are a little better than others but my guess is an average GM would do better building a team for a rich LA owner than a genius GM working under a meddling Kohl.

even though West didn't win in Memphis I thought he did great he took over a team that was basically a joke around the NBA...he turned them into a 50 team and playoff berths you cannot fault them for playing in the West. As a GM you can only put the roster together you cannot make them win a playoff game...He was able to get 2 great coaches during his tenure.

I don't think you can judge a GM based on playoff success that falls on the coach. The GM can only get you the talent to get you to the playoffs. West got Memphis enough talent to win 50 games it's up to the coaches and players what they do after that.

old skool · Post #30 » by **old skool** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:52 pm

Talent evaluation in the NBA is often a hit or miss proposition.

But it is ironic how certain coaches seem to have GMs that can find them talent.

Phil Jackson has been lucky. When he was with the Bulls, they gave him a boatload of role players that led to a top team. Then he moves to LA, and while facing a seemingly impossible rebuilding task with Kobe hogging the ball and salary cap space, they end up with a top team.

Rick Adelman sure has been lucky. Portland, Sacramento and now Houston. Everywhere he goes, there seems to be a GM who gets him talent.

Don Nelson seems to get players who were better than advertised. As a result, he gets to the playoffs almost everywhere he goes.

So maybe the biggest criticism of Larry Harris should be the coaches that he has put in place. There is more to being a GM than roster moves.

oLd sKool

Post #31 » by **paulpressey25** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:39 am

SupremeHustle wrote:Simmons kinda dissed the Bucks and the revolt on his podcast, though. Calling it 20 people and whatnot.

I'll have to listen to that....I'm guessing he's triangulating now......can't side with the bag people if I'm going to have a chance at something here with Kohl.

Sure, he'll tell people this is all good schtick for his column, but I know if you put him on that Fox lie detector show and asked him "Deep inside, do you really want to get some type of GM or consultant position with the Bucks?" he'd answer "Yes".

emunney · Post #32 » by **emunney** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:26 pm

It's interesting, but we're looking for a guy with a track record of success, and where do we expect to find him? The best GMs right now are probably Buford and Dumars. Dumars basically went straight from the court to the front office, and Buford was an assistant coach/scout/assistant GM. Both are still on their first GM jobs.

I personally think Dumars is the best GM in the game (and even he made one of the biggest draft blunders of all time), and he had no track record whatsoever prior to taking over the Pistons. Maybe what we really need is to hire whoever it was who hired Dumars to run our GM search for us. Or maybe that hiring was just a stroke of luck, and that's what we really need.

SupremeHustle · Post #33 » by **SupremeHustle** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:28 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I'll have to listen to that....I'm guessing he's triangulating now......can't side with the bag people if I'm going to have a chance at something here with Kohl.

Sure, he'll tell people this is all good schtick for his column, but I know if you put him on that Fox lie detector show and asked him "Deep inside, do you really want to get some type of GM or consultant position with the Bucks?" he'd answer "Yes".

Yeah. Let me know if you think I read too much into it.

jerrod · Post #34 » by **jerrod** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:30 pm

old skool wrote:
So maybe the biggest criticism of Larry Harris should be the coaches that he has put in place. There is more to being a GM than roster moves.

oLd sKool

we're in a loop then, we know that lh isn't picking these coaches