Jose Calderon vs. TJ Ford vs. Devin Harris.

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Who is the better player?

Jose Calderon
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TJ Ford
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16%
Devin Harris
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26%
 
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Post#21 » by Kabookalu » Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:20 am

Put Calderon next to a decent shotblocker and he wouldn't look nearly as bad defensively. He knows he can't lock down players so he does his best funneling his man to one side. Unfortunately it looks bad when you have to rely on Bargnani for help.
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Post#22 » by Franchise_411 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:31 am

I wonder how many of those people that voted Calderon are Raptor fans ... :noway:

anyway
1.a) Ford
1. b) Harris
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Post#23 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:44 am

Calderon is easily above the other two at this point, EASILY, not even close right now.
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Post#24 » by hermes » Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:26 pm

ford
calderon
harris
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Post#25 » by T-Spot » Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:17 pm

Franchise_411 wrote:I wonder how many of those people that voted Calderon are Raptor fans ... :noway:

anyway
1.a) Ford
1. b) Harris


Either that, or they know what they are talking about.
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Post#26 » by bobobolas1 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:44 pm

Calderon, no doubt for me.

2 Harris

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Post#27 » by NetsForce » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:10 pm

To be honest I'm a little surprised with the results. I understand the argument for ranking Calderon over Harris, but Ford over Harris?

From what I've seen Ford is clearly the 3rd best player of the point guards listed...
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Post#28 » by Boogie-Boogz » Fri Mar 21, 2008 9:19 pm

NetsForce wrote:To be honest I'm a little surprised with the results. I understand the argument for ranking Calderon over Harris, but Ford over Harris?

From what I've seen Ford is clearly the 3rd best player of the point guards listed...


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Post#29 » by calderon13 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:20 pm

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Post#30 » by NO-KG-AI » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:23 pm

Ford is better than Harris because he is having a horrible year, playing 8 minutes less, and is still averaging more assists?

Ford is so far ahead as a playmaker, I'd take him above Harris, and Calderon is so far ahead of both in terms off offensive efficiency, he's easily the cream of this crop.
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Post#31 » by Basileus777 » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:46 pm

He's the best passer of the group and the most efficient offensively, but Calderon isn't quite as good as the stats suggest. Calderon is the worst defensive point guard in the league, and isn't a good penetrator. Unfortunately PER doesn't show that. He's better than Harris and Ford, but he still isn't an elite pg.
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Post#32 » by risktaker91 » Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:23 am

Calderon
Harris
Ford
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Post#33 » by NetsForce » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:52 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:Ford is better than Harris because he is having a horrible year, playing 8 minutes less, and is still averaging more assists?

Ford is so far ahead as a playmaker, I'd take him above Harris, and Calderon is so far ahead of both in terms off offensive efficiency, he's easily the cream of this crop.


Ford is indeed the better playmaker than Harris but he's still more prone to overdribbling and going into random fits of me-first dumb shot mode than Harris is. I guess what I don't like about Ford is is tendency of overdribbling, which can be, and often is, a real momentum killer...

To be fair though Ford's jumper is better than Harris' but Harris is able to compensate for that because of the fact that he gets to the line more and is better at finishing after contact...

I don't know if speaking of the players' durability really adds anything to the argument so ignoring that, when you factor in defense I just feel that Harris is the better player than Ford.

Ford might be a more traditional point guard than Harris but it's not like Devin Harris is not an effective NBA caliber point guard himself. He's not blessed with Ford's court vision but he still has the patience and basketball IQ to run an effective NBA offense.
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Post#34 » by BrooklynBulls » Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:57 am

NetsForce wrote:Ford is indeed the better playmaker than Harris but he's still more prone to overdribbling and going into random fits of me-first dumb shot mode than Harris is. Ford's tendency of overdribbling can be, and often is, a real momentum killer...

To be fair Ford's jumper is better than Harris' but Harris is able to compensate for that because of the fact that he gets to the line more and is better at finishing after contact...

I don't know if speaking of the players' durability really adds anything to the argument so ignoring that, when you factor in defense I just feel that Harris is the better player than Ford.

Ford might be a more traditional point guard than Harris but it's not like Devin Harris is not an effective NBA caliber point guard himself. He's not blessed with Ford's court vision but he still has the patience and basketball IQ to run an effective NBA offense.


I basically agree with this post. Calderon>Harris>Ford in my eyes.
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Post#35 » by wenzi » Sat Mar 22, 2008 7:06 am

Calderon is freaking overrated..............he has zero upside,he has no room to improve,he is the wrost defender at All time................

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Post#36 » by Idunkon1stdates » Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:42 am

wenzi wrote:Calderon is freaking overrated..............he has zero upside,he has no room to improve,he is the wrost defender at All time................

Ford
Harris
Calderon

Upside is overrated. Ask Kwame Brown (or Andrea Bargnani in a couple years).

Voted Calderon. Makes the best decisions, has the best shot, and is the best playmaker. Most importantly, he's consistent, which Ford is not. You put him in and you know what you're going to get. TJ Ford is a roll of the dice, and even Ford at his best (which doesn't last for long periods of time) is barely better than Calderon.
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Post#37 » by wenzi » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:29 pm

I'd take TJ Ford over Calderon every day every weeks :wink:
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Post#38 » by wenzi » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:32 pm

I hates Calderon 's game styles,I hates his shots,his ugly face...........
I hate Jose's everything................
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Post#39 » by T-Spot » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:07 pm

Just put wenzi on your ignore list [like I did!]. He is not only ignorant, but a blatant troll.

Nothing to back anything his says, just hot air. You know you look stupid every time you post right?

The defensive difference between Calderon and Ford is not as big as you would think [especially when Bosh is in to help on Calderon's man.]

Ask Ronnie Price how easy it actually is to play against Ford.
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Post#40 » by wenzi » Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:39 pm

Career Loser = Jose"stat padder"Calderon
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