Will Chris Paul make the All NBA First Team this season?

[magicfan4life05]

without question

[nashill]

CP3 is currently the best NBA point guard...2nd in MVP race, his team in in top 3 in the west..


definitely an All NBA First Team

[Big Bird]

Definitely has to make the 1st team. He has been playing out of his mind the entire season and the Hornets are one of the best Western teams. Nash makes 2nd this year imo.

[Induveca]

Paul is the most flawless player I've seen since Michael Jordan. No errors in his game. The next closest would be Duncan but his free-throws remain a flaw.

Paul is a very poor defender............amazing at offense though. Can't be the best player when you are a big liability on one side of the ball.

[Copperhead]

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Paul is a very poor defender............amazing at offense though. Can't be the best player when you are a big liability on one side of the ball.

He's not a very poor defender. He's not even a poor defender.

[Baller 24]

FG% percentages? Do you watch Paul play? His IQ is off the charts.

Kobe>Paul, NOKGAI is right, your just starting to start a flame war, sooner of later we will have Laker fans going at it, lol. Seriously dude, if you think Paul is better then Kobe then your knowledge over the NBA is slim to none. Paul is a great player but you can't put him on top of Kobe Bryant, the guy is only 29 and is considered one of the top 5 SG's of all time.

[Bgil]

Reminds me of those Suns fans claiming Nash is underrated defensively.

[GreenWithEnvy]

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The Wolves don't have Peja, Bonzi, Mo Pete, and Chandler surrounding Al Jefferson like you guys have surrounding D-West. Without Paul you guys are basically the Sacramento Kings (closer to 30-35 wins).

Firstly the Lakers were NOT dominant without Gasol. They were good and they were clicking early but they were obviously beatable by just about everyone out West. Now they are a force and its not because of Kobe he was already there.

im sorry refresh my memory. Where was Peja before Paul and after Sacramento? Oh yeah wasting away shooting 40 percent in Indiana. David West? Rottin on the pine. Chandler? Considered one of the major busts in NBA history.

And about the Gasol/Bynum being out and the Lakers being a 40 win team. Are you that dense? im not talking about the current team with injuries. Normally when people make that "take that guy off that team" comparison everyone understands that its with a healthy team. can' u be that asinine?

And YES without Paul and if you put in Pargo that team would be AWFUL! If you knew anything about the Hornets or Chris Paul for that matter you would know that Paul literally is associated with 85 percent of their offense, whether it be an assist, a hockey assist or a basket. The Lakers have a system where everyone basically touches the ball so taking Kobe out they would still get their easy buckets. Plus I am NOT a fan of anything the Lakers do but i would take a Odom/Pau/Bynum frontcourt over a Peja/West/Chandler and i think most everyone would.

[eatyourchildren]

Firstly the Lakers were NOT dominant without Gasol. They were good and they were clicking early but they were obviously beatable by just about everyone out West. Now they are a force and its not because of Kobe he was already there.

They weren't dominant before and they aren't dominant now. But they were 1st before and they are 1st now. The Bulls weren't a dominant force until they acquired Pippen et al., but does that mean that their success wasn't primarily attributable to MJ?

im sorry refresh my memory. Where was Peja before Paul and after Sacramento? Oh yeah wasting away shooting 40 percent in Indiana. David West? Rottin on the pine. Chandler? Considered one of the major busts in NBA history.

Your warped characterizations can be applied to the Lakers players too. Here's how they would appear through YOUR lens: Where was Pau before Kobe? Wasting away on the Grizzlies. Bynum? A highly controversial draft pick who had only played 30 high school games TOTAL. Odom? Considered one of the tantalizing players minus his Miami year.

And about the Gasol/Bynum being out and the Lakers being a 40 win team. Are you that dense? im not talking about the current team with injuries. Normally when people make that "take that guy off that team" comparison everyone understands that its with a healthy team. can' u be that asinine?

Who is the asinine one here? If you're not talking about the current team without injuries getting to 40 without Kobe, then shouldn't you be talking about the current team without injuries with Kobe getting to a certain team record? What would Kobe with healthy Gasol AND Bynum be doing?
You can't talk about a healthy team minus Kobe and then compare it to a injured team plus Kobe. You are ridiculous.

And YES without Paul and if you put in Pargo that team would be AWFUL! If you knew anything about the Hornets or Chris Paul for that matter you would know that Paul literally is associated with 85 percent of their offense, whether it be an assist, a hockey assist or a basket. The Lakers have a system where everyone basically touches the ball so taking Kobe out they would still get their easy buckets. Plus I am NOT a fan of anything the Lakers do but i would take a Odom/Pau/Bynum frontcourt over a Peja/West/Chandler and i think most everyone would.

Do you not understand that Kobe has yet to practice--PRACTICE--or play one game--ONE GAME--with Pau and Bynum?

[halfHAVOC]

1. Kobe
2. LBJ
3. TD
4. KG
5. CP3

this year maybe

[carrottop12]

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He's got pretty good post defense.

And I don't want my PG posting up and stifling ball movement, and crowding my bigs.

Only because he can't. If he could post up you would love him even more for it.

[tranjSAIC]

As much as I hate Kobe, and damn its ALOT. I gotta agree Kobe is the best player in the NBA. PERIOD

[carrottop12]

Well, I think it's safe to say that Chris Paul has gone from being a very good player to a very good player who is amazingly overrated.

Anyone who says he's a good defensive player is obviously just assuming that with his speed, and his steals he must be a good defensive player.

He's not, he's a crappy defensive player who plays the passing lanes because he David West and Tyson Chandler behind him to block shots. He is Larry Hughes on defense. He looks like he has a good front, but when push comes to shove, Paul always backs down, gets beat by opposing players regularly, and when he does foul he doesn't use them well. On top of that he get abused in the lane.

His defense is absolutely nothing to admire. His offensive game is terrific however.

[Doctor MJ]

I didn't know that the MVP award was just an alias for the WouldBeCrappyWithoutHim award.

Well when two players play on equally successful teams, that's the clear tie breaker.

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Do MVP awards only go to players with mediocre supporting casts? Last time I checked, Dirk won it playing alongside Terry, Harris, Stack, and Howard. And the two times before that, Nash played alongside Amare, Marion, Bell, and Barbosa.

Dirk's team flirted with best record ever, when you do that it's easy for people to argue that he has lifted his team quite a bit even if that supporting cast is solid.

Nash would not have won those MVPs if people had not become convinced that the team fell apart greatly without him.

[Nebroc]

Well, I think it's safe to say that Chris Paul has gone from being a very good player to a very good player who is amazingly overrated.

Anyone who says he's a good defensive player is obviously just assuming that with his speed, and his steals he must be a good defensive player.

He's not, he's a crappy defensive player who plays the passing lanes because he David West and Tyson Chandler behind him to block shots. He is Larry Hughes on defense. He looks like he has a good front, but when push comes to shove, Paul always backs down, gets beat by opposing players regularly, and when he does foul he doesn't use them well. On top of that he get abused in the lane.

His defense is absolutely nothing to admire. His offensive game is terrific however.

Yes, when you have a great shot blocker like David West behind you, you are free to gamble on steals all day. Jazz fans- Sigh
Anyways not being a ASG starter and being MVP isn't that rare of a thing as if I recall T-mac and Kobe started over Nash and I don't think Dirk started

[Doctor MJ]

Well, I think it's safe to say that Chris Paul has gone from being a very good player to a very good player who is amazingly overrated.

Anyone who says he's a good defensive player is obviously just assuming that with his speed, and his steals he must be a good defensive player.

He's not, he's a crappy defensive player who plays the passing lanes because he David West and Tyson Chandler behind him to block shots. He is Larry Hughes on defense. He looks like he has a good front, but when push comes to shove, Paul always backs down, gets beat by opposing players regularly, and when he does foul he doesn't use them well. On top of that he get abused in the lane.

His defense is absolutely nothing to admire. His offensive game is terrific however.

Well let's get something clear. A player can certainly hurt his team by gambling too much on steals. However, if a player can go for steals without severely hurting his team when he misses, he is contributing value to the defense. This is why a big-time steals can go from extremely valuable to a liability if he goes to a different team with a different set up without changing his strategy. However, as is, it's hard for me to damn Paul for gambling that his big men will back him up, when that is indeed what seems to be happening successfully.

[Bucs80]

My Two cents about this is that

Kobe or Paul should get MVP. Equally

What's who diffiuclt about this is because

Kobe is the best player in the league, and has been screwed over 2 times before. Then you have Chris Paul, who's team wouldn't be 1st place without this guy looking at the roster, and looking at rest of the other 8 western conference contenders. Now the downside for both these guys or more for Kobe, winning MVP is the Lakers clearly has the best roster in the NBA. just hurts him alot. Then for Paul it's just the fact that Kobe has gotten screwed over and it's Kobe's for the taking.

This is a very hard arguement though. This should be look after the season and into the playoffs to see what happens.

[eatyourchildren]

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Dirk's team flirted with best record ever, when you do that it's easy for people to argue that he has lifted his team quite a bit even if that supporting cast is solid.

Nash would not have won those MVPs if people had not become convinced that the team fell apart greatly without him.

1. Why isn't the better player the tiebreaker? Better players are more valuable. Period.

2. Dirk still got his with a great supporting cast. There's no refuting that. Nash won those MVP's mainly on his ushering in a new style of play in the NBA. All 'objective' arguments stacked on top of that underlying sentiment.

[eatyourchildren]

My Two cents about this is that

Kobe or Paul should get MVP. Equally

What's who diffiuclt about this is because

Kobe is the best player in the league, and has been screwed over 2 times before. Then you have Chris Paul, who's team wouldn't be 1st place without this guy looking at the roster, and looking at rest of the other 8 western conference contenders. Now the downside for both these guys or more for Kobe, winning MVP is the Lakers clearly has the best roster in the NBA. just hurts him alot. Then for Paul it's just the fact that Kobe has gotten screwed over and it's Kobe's for the taking.

This is a very hard arguement though. This should be look after the season and into the playoffs to see what happens.

We should talk about all of this in the MVP Watch thread.

Paul should be 1st Team ALL NBA. He might get 1st Team D if he's lucky.

[GreenWithEnvy]

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Do you not understand that Kobe has yet to practice--PRACTICE--or play one game--ONE GAME--with Pau and Bynum?

you just proved urself wrong with the Pippen thing. Jordan could barely win a playoff series without Pippen! uh Kobe much? then Pippen came on and Jordan started winning championships. why you hittin yourself?

and how do you discount my logic on the Hornets players? West was like 3 and 1.5 averages before Paul. Pau was an allstar before! and hes been 20 and 10 for like 5 years! Plus don't compare Bynum and Chandler. it took Tyson 5 years to be relevant and it took Bynum 3. Primarly because the Lakers invested in a big man coach. Arguably the best big man in NBA history. its not Kobe making his teammates better its his teammates already being good OR other people (KAJ) making them better.

your just confusing yourself here man. The general rule of thumb with the MVP is "take him off and how would that team be". Now look how the Lakers have played without Kobe (basically .500 ball) and look at the Hornets. The Hornets are a lottery team without Chris Paul.