Will Chris Paul make the All NBA First Team this season?

[tracey_nice]

"I think Nash deserves to be in the discussion with anybody playing today."
That's what I was reffering too.

[JDawg]

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Stopped reading here.

The Lakers, when they almost beat the Suns, matched up incredibly well with the Suns, specifically because of big men, which you are now saying to "forget" about.

Kobe is amazing, he's currently my choice for MVP, but if you think he's some superman like figure who can only lose if the other team has the perfect strategy, you are way off. Take away Bynum and Gasol, the Lakers are not a real contender to win the Western Conference. Simple as that. That's not meant as a knock on Kobe, it's just the reality that he can't do it without good teammates, and in particular good teammates in positions which have responsibilities Kobe has no shot in hell at replacing since he is not a big man.

COMPLETELY AGREE Doc.

COMPLETELY....as it relates to winning the West.

But im not talking about winning the west....ONLY about beating the Hornets in a playoff series.

Without those big guys, I am Certain, The Suns, Spurs and most likely the Jazz AND Mavs also beat the lakers, NOTwithstanding the last game on their floors. I think the chances are still good agaisnt a Yao less Houston team and the Warriors.

I dont factor in regular season that much...I mean YES the lakers beat the Jazz and Mavs on their floors without the two big men, but playoffs are different and that team will not play as such in the playoffs. They are tested. They are proven and they are tough.

The Hornets however WILL NOT beat a Kobe led team EVNE WITHOUT Bynum and GAsol. It just wont happen. He'll average 50 for a series if he has to and I dont care if the Hornets are healthy or not.

Thats my take on it. I just dont think the Lakers woudl fear them and it would LITERALLY take their whole team to stop Kobe and thats too much to ask to do and still be effective in stopping his shooters also.

No way...Paul is good...but Kobe is transcendant. He and Lebron can make ENTIRE teams simply have to focus their ENTIRE Team defense to stopping them. If kobe made it his mission to get in the paint on the Hornets, they'd need AT LEAST three guys to stop him without fouling him consistently. And if he's hellbent on getting someone an open shot, he'll do it in the halfcourt better than Paul could.

When Paul can make an entire defense kneel in submission like a Kobe or Lebron, come talk to me.

The answer to stopping Paul in the playoffs becomes INFINITELY easier when a coach has the resources to simply focus his efforts on doing so.

Kobe??? NOT SO MUCH. Why??? Because Kobe being the size and skillset he is, can simply rise up and get any shot he wants, any time he wants.

There's only about 2 or 3 guys leaguewide who can even take Kobe out of his comfort zone and make it a bit tougher on him and even then those guys gotta hope he doenst get locked in to them. Coincidentally, the Hornets dont have one of those guys...HENCE in a playoff series setting they are Screwed.

He cant be stopped liek a pg can. Its as simple as that whether people want to acknowledge that or NOT.

[z_from_kc]

Paul has to prove something in the post season before you can place him next to the elite guards in the league. Last time I checked he hasn't played a playoff game. Meanwhile I witnessed Deron Williams absolutely abuse the Rockets, Warriors and Spurs in the POST SEASON. There are a plethora of guards who have proven to be great in the playoffs. Paul hasn't. I see no reason why he can't carry his game over to the playoffs, but he has to prove it to me before I put him up there with guys I consider elite at the guard position, Kobe, Wade, Nash, Parker, Billups, Manu, Kidd (definitely falling of a little), Iverson, and all others who have had significant playoff success.

But I think Paul is definitely on his way to being an all time great.

[JDawg]

^^^ all time great yes....

anywhere NEAR Kobe or Lebron...NOT Even close!

NOT EVEN CLOSE

PER or NO PER.

[Bgil]

Firstly the Lakers were NOT dominant without Gasol. They were good and they were clicking early but they were obviously beatable by just about everyone out West. Now they are a force and its not because of Kobe he was already there.

We're a better team with Bynum in the lineup than we are with just Gasol in there.

im sorry refresh my memory. Where was Peja before Paul and after Sacramento? Oh yeah wasting away shooting 40 percent in Indiana.

40 percent? From the 3 point line. He played 40 games in IND and his stats were as follows:
GP-40
GS-40
MP-36.4
FG%-0.461
3pt%-0.404
FT%-0.903
Orb-1.1
Drb-5.1
Trb-6.3
Apg-1.7
Stl-0.6
Blk-0.2
TOV-1.30
Fouls-2.20
PPG-19.5

Most of those numbers are superior to what he's done in NOH BTW.

David West? Rottin on the pine.

David West on any team is an awesome player.

Chandler? Considered one of the major busts in NBA history.

Chandler was defensively the same player in CHI that he is with the NOH. He was already one of the best rebounders around too.

And about the Gasol/Bynum being out and the Lakers being a 40 win team. Are you that dense? im not talking about the current team with injuries. Normally when people make that "take that guy off that team" comparison everyone understands that its with a healthy team. can' u be that asinine?

You are. If our team was completely healthy with Kobe we'd be shooting for 65+ right now. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we hit 70. At 65+ there's no way Kobe wouldn't be the uncontested MVP. this thread wouldn't even exist. We'd all be discussing whether or not he could get the DPOY and Finals MVP too.


Saying we'd win 40 does nothing to strengthen your case because no matter how many wins we get it's Kobe that is more valuable than any other.

If you knew anything about the Hornets or Chris Paul for that matter you would know that Paul literally is associated with 85 percent of their offense, whether it be an assist, a hockey assist or a basket.

So what? It's not like 85% of the Hornets offense wouldn't exist without him. They fill in for him the best they could and radically adjust their offense. Hell, look at Dallas these days. If J-Kidd had always played for them then people could say much the same thing. But we know that when he wasn't there they were able to play differently. Nothing is different about the NOH situation.

The Lakers have a system where everyone basically touches the ball so taking Kobe out they would still get their easy buckets.

bull. The triangle works because teams defensively cheat towards Kobe whether he's got the ball or not. The triangle make it very hard to cheat and not end up paying for it with an easy bucket. Without Kobe, teams would just play us straight up... when that happens the triangle turns from a "easy bucket" offense to a mid-range jumpshot offense.
Read Tex's book or shut up about the triangle.

Plus I am NOT a fan of anything the Lakers do but i would take a Odom/Pau/Bynum frontcourt over a Peja/West/Chandler and i think most everyone would.

No **** sherlock. Now find me a non-photoshopped picture of those three playing together and I'll give you $500.

[JordansBulls]

Guys,

Let me ask you a question.

Forget Bynum and Pau.

Does anyone think a CP3 led team beats a Kobe led team in the playoffs.

If Kobe got into a series with the Hornets, you'd see Paul to amazing things.

Then you'd see Kobe literally AVERAGE 50ppg. That whole TEAM would have to make its efforts to stop Kobe. YOu getting that. THE WHOLE TEAM would be needed to stop Kobe from putting you guys out of your misery.

Yeah it's amazing he will average 50 in the playoffs when he has 1 game in his career of 50 points in the playoffs which came in OT vs a terrible defense team that was missing their best defender at SG. But I am supposed to believe he will average 50 ppg when he averages 23.3 ppg career in the playoffs?

[jboogy13]

you guys base too many things off of one good regular season...i mean chris paul is a very good player and probably will make the all-nba first team, but no way is this guy better than kobe, nash, wade, or iverson and even cosidered a top 2 or 3 guard in this league...i mean the guy hasn't even been to the playoffs yet play in a 7th game of a series, he hasnt done anything. Sure this is one of his most succesful seasons and one of the most succesful seasons for that franchise, but other than that he hasn't proven to anyone that he is even on those other guys calibur. And for all of you guys hyping over his great season and considering him the best guard in the league...you guys must have forgotten about arenas, billups, parker, ginobli, kidd, and deron williams who are clearly better players then him and cleary have proven to be beyond his level...so when paul actually does win a playoff series and takes his team at least to a conference final then come holla at me

[Anticon]

First team All-NBA is probably the easiest in years:

Paul
Kobe
Lebron
Garnett
Howard

After that it becomes a bit tricky:

Nash/Williams
Wade/Manu/AI
Melo/McGrady
Duncan/Nowitzki
Amare/Yao (?)

But Paul has been the best PG in the NBA, easy. I really don't know how Atlanta fans manage.

[Bgil]

Atlanta doesn't have fans. They have locals that like to watch and attend NBA games.

[BRINGTHEPAIN]

2nd Team looks pretty easy:
Nash
AI
McGRady
Duncan
Amare

[The_Believer]

AI's not making it over Baron, considering BD's in the playoffs, AI isn't despite having more help. But it looks pretty good otherwise, unless if you have Dwight as yr 3rd team.

[NBA on NBC]

Of course he will. Name me a point guard that's having a BETTER season than Chris Paul. No one.

[Pats19andO]

BRINGTHEPAIN is a

Kobe> Paul

Yes, PAul will be all 1st team

[e in boulder]

Does Deron Williams run the 3rd Team?

I would honestly put him on the 2nd ahead of Steve Nash, no offense Steve!

[Patterns]

BRINGTHEPAIN is a (picture)

Kobe> Paul

Yes, PAul will be all 1st team

Nohe won't. He'll be on 3rd team at best.

[Vincent 666]

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Firstly the Lakers were NOT dominant without Gasol. They were good and they were clicking early but they were obviously beatable by just about everyone out West. Now they are a force and its not because of Kobe he was already there.



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Your post is just filled with so many holes.

First of all, prior to getting Gasol, when the Lakers were healthy, Kobe was leading them to the best record in one of the toughest conferences of all time.

So stop with the Gasol nonsense.

Its as if Kobe is held to a standard where he is supposed to win with no talent around him.

And if you want to split hairs, Paul is working with more all star teammates than Kobe is.

[NO-KG-AI]

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Nohe won't. He'll be on 3rd team at best.

LOL, that's a joke right? what guards are going over Chris?

[SabasRevenge!]

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Nohe won't. He'll be on 3rd team at best.

Seriously?

I don't see how CP isn't 1st team...

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LOL, that's a joke right? what guards are going over Chris?

Fisher and Farmar.



I'd agree that Deron Williams should be 2nd team ahead of Nash.

PS Who plays worse D, Nash or Calderon? Maybe the winner should get 3rd team.

[Ming Kong!]

Deron Williams is a PG. He is a horrible defender. One of the worst in the league if not the worst. But he is a one of the best PGs and therefore competition for All NBA First team so I think the fact that his two best competitors are two of the worst point guards in the league on defence and far worse at it then Paul not matter if you think Paul is all NBA defence or not is very relevent to this thread.

Chris Paul vs Utah (3 games, 1W,2L):
15ppg 9.3apg while shooting .342

Steve Nash and Deron are neck to neck in matches, and most PGs actually are heavily outplayed by Deron. Williams is a good defender, regardless if he puts up the numbers defensive numbers. Many of the best defenders don't have great numbers, like Bowen, Bell, and Prince.

[JordansBulls]

2nd Team looks pretty easy:
Nash
AI
McGRady
Duncan
Amare

I think Deron makes it over Nash or AI.