Best big man in crunch time?

Hendrix · Post #1 » by **Hendrix** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:42 am

Usually it's harder for big men to dominate down the stretch offensily like gaurds. So, who's the best big man in the crunch

Offensivly?

Defensivly?

Rebounding?

Overall?

sackings916 · Post #2 » by **sackings916** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:21 am

Amare offensively, Duncan for everything else.

Post #3 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:33 am

A perimeter big man like Dirk is the best bet if you need a final bucket.

Duncan wouldn't be so bad, but he's missed more than his share of clutch FT's. His D and rebounding is there, and maybe you can get it to him in the post.

Garnett is a good choice, he's hit game winning jump shots, he can create his own shot or for others, plays D, rebounds and hits his FT's. Not a bad choice, because you can run the ball through him, and he's such a dangerous passer that anyone could get the last shot, and that guy could be wide open.

Amare Stoudemire is another really good choice because he can create his own shot, and aggressively attack the rim and sink his FT's.

Bottom line, it's easier with a guy who can create for himself to score, but I'd rather have a Manu type guy, and have the guy who is the better player during the first 46 minutes of the game, than have to rely on a big to hit shots down the stretch. I'd rather seal more victories earlier in games, or have a TD or Garnett to stifle the other sides offense down the stretch.

I guess I'd rather find guards that are my closers, and have a big man anchor the post on both ends, than have a perimeter big as my closer, and try to build a supporting cast that is dominant defensively.

preference.....

a-rod · Post #4 » by **a-rod** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:54 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:A perimeter big man like Dirk is the best bet if you need a final bucket.

Duncan wouldn't be so bad, but he's missed more than his share of clutch FT's. His D and rebounding is there, and maybe you can get it to him in the post.

Garnett is a good choice, he's hit game winning jump shots, he can create his own shot or for others, plays D, rebounds and hits his FT's. Not a bad choice, because you can run the ball through him, and he's such a dangerous passer that anyone could get the last shot, and that guy could be wide open.

Amare Stoudemire is another really good choice because he can create his own shot, and aggressively attack the rim and sink his FT's.

Bottom line, it's easier with a guy who can create for himself to score, but I'd rather have a Manu type guy, and have the guy who is the better player during the first 46 minutes of the game, than have to rely on a big to hit shots down the stretch. I'd rather seal more victories earlier in games, or have a TD or Garnett to stifle the other sides offense down the stretch.

I guess I'd rather find guards that are my closers, and have a big man anchor the post on both ends, than have a perimeter big as my closer, and try to build a supporting cast that is dominant defensively.

preference.....

I agree, but do you think david west deserves some consideration, NO-KG-AI?

Post #5 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:02 pm

That's actually a good point, David has hit a fair share of game winners, he always hits big buckets down the stretch, and I remember 2 blocks on potential game winners at least.

David has issues when he hesitates on his jumper, if he pumps first, he's a 0% shooter, if he just shoots, he's great. Depends on matchup on whether he will be effective off the dribble, but we like the high screen and roll with chris paul with a shooter in the corner for our final play.

good call, I'm ashamed for leaving him out.

CourtsideTV · Post #6 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:23 pm

kg

sheed

dirk

Baller 24 · Post #7 » by **Baller 24** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 1:12 pm

KG is the best bet as of right now along with Amare and Duncan. Dirk would be perfect with his shooting range, but I have nothing to see from him yet, its a damn shame to see him choke, he did it the other night against the Lakers, when they had there come back and could of clearly tied. But as of right now KG, Amare, and Duncan are the clear winners.

Teddy KGB · Post #8 » by **Teddy KGB** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:24 pm

see: Nowitzki, Dirk.

hermes · Post #9 » by **hermes** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:59 pm

KG and dirk are on top of the list

halfHAVOC · Post #10 » by **halfHAVOC** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:13 pm

KG / Dirk on offense

Duncan everything else.

A.J. · Post #11 » by **A.J.** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:08 pm

KG/Dirk/Yao

Scoob Seriously · Post #12 » by **Scoob Seriously** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:19 pm

Why is everyone saying KG? From everything that i have seen, he is far from clutch.

celticfan42487 · Post #13 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:25 pm

KG vs Dirk last BOS/DAL game when the game was tight for the last 6 minutes of the game.

Result

Dirk: 0-5 fg 3 turnovers 2-2FT
KG: 1-7 fg 2-2FT

For Dirk that's 8 blown plays. 8 of his teams plays blown in the fourth of a tightly contested game. KG only blew 6 of them. Half of both of these guys attempts were 17 feet away from the basket... they rely to much on beign in or out of a zone when shooting in the clutch.. that game they were both out.

Now of course that's just one game, but I figured it was timely to show y'all. In crunch time I'll stick with my bigs that stay in the post. A free throw or an offensive rebound can be just as big for your TEAM. And I consider them clutch.

You don't see many fast breaks ran against you off of made or missed free throws, you can see those happen off of blow 15 footers.

So give me Yao or Duncan [one for FT% and the other for passing. Both for rebounding potential and defensive potential]

celticfan42487 · Post #14 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:29 pm

Oh for those that get to watch ORL games, what about D-12. His stats are there, but I know they delegate to Hedo in the clutch [rightfully so]. I just don't know if can be relied upon enough to not make a stupid offensive foul in the clutch or have his FT promblems act up in the cluth.

Statstically speaking though it looks like he'd be a great big to have by what I look for [rebounding,drawing fouls,defense]

ponder276 · Post #15 » by **ponder276** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:38 pm

Travis Outlaw

Post #16 » by **studcrackers** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:45 pm

Baller 24 wrote:KG is the best bet as of right now along with Amare and Duncan. Dirk would be perfect with his shooting range, but I have nothing to see from him yet, its a damn shame to see him choke, he did it the other night against the Lakers, when they had there come back and could of clearly tied. But as of right now KG, Amare, and Duncan are the clear winners.

did u see the pass he was thrown? not exactly easy for a 7 footer to catch a pass at his ankle, he pretty much had to throw up a shot. and why exactly did the mavs have a chance to tie it in the 1st place? the answer if you were paying attention is dirk.

Post #17 » by **CBS7** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:46 pm

Back in Chicago, Chandler, the year before his last, was a beast in the clutch defensively and as a rebounder. He'd grab a lot of big rebounds and I could remember at least 4 distinct cases of him blocking a potential game winner or game tier.

Post #18 » by **Young_Star11** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:14 pm

Tim Duncan and Dwight Howard

Duncan you know will get a good shot and Dwight I think could become teh next clutch big man

farzi · Post #19 » by **farzi** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:51 pm

This thread begins and ends with Robert Hory

ponder276 · Post #20 » by **ponder276** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:09 pm

Young_Star11 wrote:Tim Duncan and Dwight Howard

Duncan you know will get a good shot and Dwight I think could become teh next clutch big man

07/08 clutch scoring stats from 82games.com (points per 48 minutes during clutch time):

Dirk - 44.7
Bosh - 39.7
Amare - 38.7
Yao - 36.8
Boozer - 36.4
Al Jefferson - 33.9
Antawn Jamison - 30.6
Duncan - 28.8
Garnett - 22.6
Dwight - 14.9

Dwight is not much of a clutch scorer compared to other star big men.