What would you sell an AK-47 for?

T-Spot · Post #1 » by **T-Spot** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:39 pm

What would be the price on Kiri do Jazz fans think? Would it take just an expiring of similar contract? If not that, what else?

Post #2 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:41 pm

There isn't really an available player that matches our needs. We have no interest in dumping him for nothing.

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:04 pm

With how the Jazz are jammed up at the 2/3 spot, AK could be easily gotten rid of this off season for less then he is worth.

I know the Jazz were obviously shopping him, and my guess is if they they would have known how Brewer, Miles, Almond and Korver would have worked out so far this season they would have moved him this off season for Marion, had a much improved shot at the finals and then let him walk this off-season and use the money to lock of Deron, Millsap and Miles.

Honestly, with the way AK has been playing defense lately, the Jazz might be better served letting go and bring in a more dynamic offensive group with CJ Miles and Ronnie Brewer who both seem to create a lot of fast break opportunities with their defense.

AK's shot blocking is nice, but his man to man defense on the perimeter IMO is worse then CJ's which is underrated I believe.

I would love to see the Jazz move AK for a legit back up big guy who can play 20 minutes a game and provide solid defense and isn't a black hole on offense and maybe get a future draft pick in the process, even if they have to give him away for 75 cents on the dollar.

AK isn't the answer for this team, he's far too inconsistent to rely on offensively, and his defense might be the worst it's ever been.

MeestR · Post #4 » by **MeestR** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:10 pm

apparently, if what we heard from last summer was true, then an expiring would not be enough. remember the marion for ak rumors? jazz said no because marions contract was shorter.

however it would be nice to have a player of ak's caliber who wasnt so moody. but if a player like that exists, why would his team trade him for ak?

carrottop12 · Post #5 » by **carrottop12** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:20 pm

^^^

Like I said, if the Jazz had had Korver at that time, and knew how well Brewer and Miles had come along, my guess is AK would have been moved in a heart beat and the Jazz would have been happy building a little bit for the future knowing they could lock up their biggest future contract (D-Will) with no set back.

T-Spot · Post #6 » by **T-Spot** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:55 pm

Batronuj wrote:I would love to see the Jazz move AK for a legit back up big guy who can play 20 minutes a game and provide solid defense and isn't a black hole on offense and maybe get a future draft pick in the process, even if they have to give him away for 75 cents on the dollar.

Toronto sends Garbojosa and Nesterovic [Total 14 mil in expiring contracts]

Utah sends Andrei Kirilenko

Something like that? Both a legit back up bigs who play defense and pass well, both also being expiring.

JDubJazz · Post #7 » by **JDubJazz** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:57 pm

My guess is AK may be quietly shopped in the offseason, but the Jazz are not going to take anything less than 75 cents on the dollar.

If I had to guess, I'd say they might be willing to let AK go for a Joakim Noah and Andres Nocioni type of deal. They'd probably be willing to talk to New York about David Lee and filler. In any case there would be two conditions to the trade:

1. The principal player can't be a headcase.

2. the filler can't come with terrible long term contracts.

JDubJazz · Post #8 » by **JDubJazz** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:02 pm

T-Spot wrote:Toronto sends Garbojosa and Nesterovic [Total 14 mil in expiring contracts]

Utah sends Andrei Kirilenko

Something like that? Both a legit back up bigs who play defense and pass well, both also being expiring.

Absolutely not. The Jazz don't consider either guy to be "legit" bigs since Rasho is Rasho and Garbo may never play again. We aren't interested in just dumping his contract for players that will never get off of the bench.

If Toronto wants AK47, it would probably cost them Bargnani. I don't think Toronto would do that, but considering Barg's season, thats probably a pretty good deal talent wise for Toronto, though obviously the money isn't close to matching up.

Post #9 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:11 pm

AK and Almond for Foster, Diago and Tinsley

Racer X · Post #10 » by **Racer X** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:30 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:AK and Almond for Foster, Diago and Tinsley

Ewww . . . no.

I am about ready to move him. All along the reason for keeping him was his shot blocking, but his 1.5 BPG average this season has got to be the quietest 1.5 BPG I have ever seen. When was the last time you remember Andrei getting a block that brought you out of your seat? I honestly cannot remember.

AK for Bogut, and 2008 First Rounder and filler?

Post #11 » by **jazzfan1971** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:38 pm

I'd rather trade Boozer. That's just me though. AK is actually improving his game. You can see he's put a lot of work into his jumpshot.

Maybe something like Boozer for Collison, Swift, matching salary and a top 5 protected pick. (top 5 protection lasts for 5 years then the pick becomes unprotected.

I doubt the Jazz do anything crazy like that though. They are probably counting on Fez to put them over the top.

Post #12 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:54 pm

Racer X wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ewww . . . no.

I am about ready to move him. All along the reason for keeping him was his shot blocking, but his 1.5 BPG average this season has got to be the quietest 1.5 BPG I have ever seen. When was the last time you remember Andrei getting a block that brought you out of your seat? I honestly cannot remember.

AK for Bogut, and 2008 First Rounder and filler?

Keep in mind Foster and Diago are expiring, and this takes care of both back up PG and back up C in one swipe.

Post #13 » by **bleu** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:22 am

AK has got at least 5 more years in Utah IMO.

The Sheik · Post #14 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:31 am

wow you guys all vastly overrate the value of AK. If the Jazz keep that "equal value" notion or close too they will never move ak. To touch on a few points...

DR, that indy trade is terrible and I doubt they would do it either, Tinsley is garbage.

JF1971- I have to say I could careless if AK is working on his game, because he is only working on his offensive game and he is totally ditching trying at all on D.

We have seen the future, the best you will ever get out of AK is:
11ppg,5rpg,4apg,1.5bpg,1.25spg...making 13 mil.

AK is a me first guy, I want to be traded, I want more touches...blah blah blah.

LHM is a thickheaded prick, he will never admit he made a mistake. If he wouldnt take Marion for AK "because it wasnt equal", then we are stuck with AK and will lose Millsap.

Basically AK is Rajon Rondo without the blocks.

Trade him for expiring and a first rd pick.

The Sheik · Post #15 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:33 am

vainsake wrote:AK has got at least 5 more years in Utah IMO.

What!!!!(that wasnt a lil jon impersonation) How? Who is leaving? Deron? Boozer?

Do you all understand what a salary cap is?

Last I checked we dont have luxury tax money.

Wolverine · Post #16 » by **Wolverine** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:36 am

I'd rather move Boozer for a good 5. Shift Memo to the 4. Someone like Bogut , Dalembert etc + fillers

The Sheik · Post #17 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:38 am

I agree with Bat on CJ and I honestly dont see much of a gap between them.

They are equal on Offense (Cj has more upside)
They are equal at man D
AK has the edge at shot blocking
They are equal at stealing
AK is a better passer...when he isnt throwing the ball away doing crazy sh^+.

This team as they are created will probably never win a title now. If we semi rebuild to be a title contender in 2yrs then we can have a run of about 5yrs.

I personally would want Millsap over AK.

I like our depth at the wings, dump AK this summer.

schneiderjazz · Post #18 » by **schneiderjazz** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:56 am

I'm with Jazzfan and Wolverine on this one. I'd rather trade Boozer. For one, he's got a lot more trade value than AK. I think Memo can really step up his games offensively with Boozer out and AK will be involved enough to become the beast he was 3 years ago. Plus if you get a defensive presence in the middle for Boozer, I think this team could really improve defensively.

Racer X · Post #19 » by **Racer X** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 am

Boozer brings so much consistency though. He is good for 18 and 10 EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. If we are left with just Memo (whom I love with all my heart and will defend him F O R E V E R shame on all who wished a trade) we are going to be left with a scorer who is going to go on cold stretches and it will leave us with literally no low-post scoring option. You people who would trade Booze are crazy. AK is certainly the big piece to be moved.

I am telling you ... trade AK to the Bucks for Bogut and their 2008 #1 and whatever else it takes to match.

Post #20 » by **loserX** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:04 am

T-Spot wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Toronto sends Garbojosa and Nesterovic [Total 14 mil in expiring contracts]

Utah sends Andrei Kirilenko

Something like that? Both a legit back up bigs who play defense and pass well, both also being expiring.

Absolutely not. Even if the Jazz do trade Kirilenko (and I'm not sure that will ever happen), he is a core guy on this team and Larry Miller isn't going to authorize his being traded for a couple of "serviceable" role players. We're going to demand SOME legitimate value beyond just salary relief.

As for what the Jazz are going to do, who knows...I personally suspect it's more likely that Okur gets moved for expirings and a pick, and/or Harpring being allowed to grind his knees into a fine powder and having to retire, than Kirilenko being dumped.