Winning Texas Triangle = Worst thing to happen for this team

PPAW4Life · Post #1 » by **PPAW4Life** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:19 am

Now they have like nothing left to prove.....

Now they are just experimenting.....

dwestside · Post #2 » by **dwestside** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:25 am

I literally said to myself a few minutes ago "Well, better check to see who's irrational after this loss." It's kinda sad when it's a forgone conclusion.

Al n' Perk No Layups! · Post #3 » by **Al n' Perk No Layups!** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:26 am

Oh My God...

Dogen · Post #4 » by **Dogen** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:27 am

And those 16 championships have ruined the franchise

3pt % · Post #5 » by **3pt %** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:34 am

can we get a warning on the irrational reactionary threads after a loss?

Post #6 » by **Bleeding Green** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:37 am

I completely agree. They should have lost 15-20 more games so they could be a 4 seed and scare teams in the playoffs.

Chip on your shoulder > talent.

BobbySura · Post #7 » by **BobbySura** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:40 am

i didn't get to watch the game but pierce only taking 6 shots tells me this team is on coast mode

Scalamental · Post #8 » by **Scalamental** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:55 am

come on dude, that's celticsblog forum material.

RoyHobbs · Post #9 » by **RoyHobbs** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:56 am

I think the gripe about "experimenting" is a legit one, and is more than just typical reactionary blabber.

Doc has definitely gone to some odd rotations recently, where he's playing 4 or 5 bench players at a time. I don't like it, because 1) it costs us games in the short term, and 2) doesn't build any chemistry, because the bench players aren't going to be playing with four other bench players should we reach the playoffs.

I think we need to mix the bench players -- especially Cassell and P.J. -- in with the starters, and use them situationally like we would in the playoffs. I think that's the best way to utilize them for the remainder of the season, rather than these odd-ball experimental lineups.

That being said, I don't blame the loss on Doc. It's just something he's doing in the games that I think is counter-productive.

GregB · Post #10 » by **GregB** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:57 am

I understand the rotation concerns. I realize Doc has been experiment since our two recent additions. But IMO, He needs to get a set rotation soon so we can establish it down the stretch of the season. I hope we finish the year off really strong and just roll over our first round opponent.

Here is my lineup:

Rondo 33 Minutes/Cassell or House 15 Minutes (Depends on the night)
R. Allen 36 min/T. Allen 10 Min
Pierce 36 Min/ Posey 14 minutes
KG 20 Minutes/Powe 18 Minutes/Baby 10 Minutes
Perk 30 minutes/KG 18 Minutes/Brown Emergency

I realize that during games you cant be so specific. But these would be my normal subs on a normal night. Occasionally letting Cassell finish off a game.

First Half:

Sub Baby for Perkins 6:00 min in First
Sub TA in for Allen 7:00 Min in first
Sub Cassell or House for Rondo 7:00 Min in first
Sub Posey in for TA Start of Second
Sub Powe for Baby Start of second
Sub Allen in for Pierce 1:oo Min in second
Sub Perkins in for KG 2:oo Min Second
Sub Rondo for Cassell/House 3:00 Min second
Sub Pierce in for Posey for 4:30 Min in Second
Sub KG for Perkins 8:00 Min in Second
Sub Posey in for Pierce 8:30 Min in Second
Sub TA in for Allen 10:00 Minute in second
Sub Cassell/House in for Rondo 9:00 Min in second

Second Half

Sub Baby for Perkins 6:00 Minues in Third
Sub Cassell/House for Rondo 9:00 Minutes in third
Sub TA for Allen 9:00 Minutes in 3rd
Sub Posey for Pierce 9:00 Minutes in 3rd
Sub Perkins in for KG 10:00 Minutes in Third
Sub Powe for Baby 10:00 Minutes in Third
Sub KG for Perkins 2:00 Mnutes in fourth
Sub Pierce for TA 2:00 Minutes in fourth
Sub Ray Allen for Posey 3:00 Minutes in fourth
Sub Rondo in for Cassell/House 3:00 minutes in fourth
Sub Perkins in for Powe 4:00 minutes in fourth

No more small ball.

Mahoney_jr · Post #11 » by **Mahoney_jr** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:04 am

No, the Texas Triangle was great. Though I'm happy our guys are coming back to earth again. They need some practice now to set up a fine rotation for the playoffs.

MVP16 · Post #12 » by **MVP16** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:07 am

Establishing a set rotation ready for the playoffs would be a much bigger concern if we were in the Western Conference, but in the Eastern Conference playing the 8th seed, we don't really need to worry about having everything right for the first round IMO. If Doc was using an 8 man rotation, people would be complaining about how the big 3 is playing too many minutes.

Right now we need to get Cassell and PJ implemented. The 3 practices that we have this week will go a long way toward doing that. We also need to try to get TA out of his funk before the playoffs come. He is our best perimeter defender and we are going to need the "good TA" against Lebron. We also need to see how the Cassell/House backcourt works.

We have 12 games to go. Use the next 3-4 for experimenting. Then 3-4 games playing the rotation you'll use in the playoffs. And then end the season making sure everybody is well rested and as injury free as possible.

phoolishly_insane · Post #13 » by **phoolishly_insane** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:07 am

GregB wrote:KG 35 Minutes

Fixed.

He shouldn't be playing Center as he does not like it.

Banks2Pierce · Post #14 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:54 am

I don't see why this team coasting now is so bad for the team. It's only bad for the fans. The young kids like Baby and Powe can get more minutes which will be good for their confidence in the playoffs.

The guys seem to be emotionally drained after the Texas swing and I am fine with Doc letting off the gas a little bit. I just want to see the team clicking on all cylinders again by the last few games of the season.

GregB · Post #15 » by **GregB** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:24 am

phoolishly_insane wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Fixed.

He shouldn't be playing Center as he does not like it.

He wont really be playing center in a traditional sense for 10 of those 18 minutes at the 5. Baby will take the interior offensively and defensively. Powe will help some in the remaining 8 minutes. I just think you need a 7 footer in the game at any time.IMO, PJ shouldnt be more than insurance in case of injury or foul trouble.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #16 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:46 am

dwestside wrote:I literally said to myself a few minutes ago "Well, better check to see who's irrational after this loss." It's kinda sad when it's a forgone conclusion.

I know...that was perhaps the stupidest post-loss posting I've read in a looooooooooooooooooooong time.

Experimenting? That would be if they were getting blown out since they were tinkering with lineups and ****. They lost to a damn good team, on the FIFTH game of a long road trip (NO), and then to a red-hot team fighting for their playoff lives (Philly). While it's a bummer, for sure, it's not panic-mode like that idiot thinks!

cisco · Post #17 » by **cisco** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:52 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:I don't see why this team coasting now is so bad for the team. It's only bad for the fans. The young kids like Baby and Powe can get more minutes which will be good for their confidence in the playoffs.

The guys seem to be emotionally drained after the Texas swing and I am fine with Doc letting off the gas a little bit. I just want to see the team clicking on all cylinders again by the last few games of the season.

They shouldn't be coasting because they haven't clinched home court yet and Doc should be experimenting, but not with lineups he has no intention of using in the playoffs. Doc said that he won't be using 5 bench players at the same time in the playoffs, so why waste time experimenting with it. Experiment with lineups you intend to use so Sam and PJ can properly adjust and get used to the players that will actually be on the floor with them.

By not using all bench players and using Sam and PJ in proper lineups, you get the two guys integrated while still winning games until home court is clinched. After the clinching, Doc can throw out there whoever he wants.

RoyHobbs · Post #18 » by **RoyHobbs** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:47 pm

They shouldn't be coasting because they haven't clinched home court yet and Doc should be experimenting, but not with lineups he has no intention of using in the playoffs. Doc said that he won't be using 5 bench players at the same time in the playoffs, so why waste time experimenting with it. Experiment with lineups you intend to use so Sam and PJ can properly adjust and get used to the players that will actually be on the floor with them.

By not using all bench players and using Sam and PJ in proper lineups, you get the two guys integrated while still winning games until home court is clinched. After the clinching, Doc can throw out there whoever he wants.

I couldn't agree more. If this was Celticsblog, I'd give you a tommy point. This is exactly right.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:54 pm

RoyHobbs wrote:
They shouldn't be coasting because they haven't clinched home court yet and Doc should be experimenting, but not with lineups he has no intention of using in the playoffs. Doc said that he won't be using 5 bench players at the same time in the playoffs, so why waste time experimenting with it. Experiment with lineups you intend to use so Sam and PJ can properly adjust and get used to the players that will actually be on the floor with them.

By not using all bench players and using Sam and PJ in proper lineups, you get the two guys integrated while still winning games until home court is clinched. After the clinching, Doc can throw out there whoever he wants.

I couldn't agree more. If this was Celticsblog, I'd give you a tommy point. This is exactly right.

I also agree. While I do think this is no time for panic, we should clinch homecourt first. THEN rest guys and tinker.

realfung · Post #20 » by **realfung** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:09 pm

lol...