Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[Worm Guts]

You're getting better rev, but you really need to put Rose in the 2nd slot.

[revprodeji]

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[revprodeji]

I do not see the need/talent reasoning of Rose being higher than a need/talent reasoning for Beasley/Randolph/Gallinari/Lopez.

[Worm Guts]

Rose has as much physical gifts as Randolph and he's a lot more developed. Rose is a lot more physically gifted for his position than Galinari or Lopez.
Rose has superstar potential and a reasonable chance of reaching that potential.

[TheProdigy]

I do not see the need/talent reasoning of Rose being higher than a need/talent reasoning for Beasley/Randolph/Gallinari/Lopez.

I agree that Beasley and Lopez would fill a bigger need than Rose. We really need to find another big man down low. Randolph and Gallinari on the other hand, don't really fill any needs since we already have Gomes, Brewer, and even Jaric who on occasion can play the 3. At this point we still don't know whether or not Foye is a true point guard. I'm not ready to give up on him yet, but if we get a chance at Rose I hope we take him.

[Krapinsky]

(For the Wolves)

1. Beasley
2. Rose
3. Mayo
4. Lopez
5. Randolph
6. Gallinari
7. Griffin
8. Bayless
9. Love
10. Westbrook

I'd hate to pass on Rose and make a mistake like the Hawks have continued to make over the years. Rose could be a Deron Williams/Chris Paul level of a difference maker for a team. Lopez might be a Bogut level type difference maker. (i'm not making player comparisons based on attributes, but only comparing what I see as each player's potential for long term impact)

[jpatrick]

I think Rose is the best player in the draft and really the only guy who has a chance to become a true superstar. Beasley may become a 20/10 guy, but I don't see him as a great defensive player or someone who makes his teammates that much better (and I really don't like the fit on the Wolves).

To me Rose has a chance to become Jason Kidd but a better athlete. He truely is the best athlete I've ever seen as a PG. He's a true PG, makes his teammate better, amazing hands (steals) and is content with wins as opposed to stats. With him pushing the ball, Brewer would have someone to run with and all of a sudden he gets some easy baskets and that shooting percentage goes from 35 to 44 and we don't feel so bad about our defensive wing.

I think Rose's numbers are stunted somewhat by playing on Memphis. That team has a motion offense, so the ball doesn't stay in Rose's hands all that much. You put him on K-State as the main guy and I bet he's putting up 20pts and 6 assists a game.

I admit that Foye has looked ok as a PG but I think he's a true combo guard who's best served swinging back and forth from 1 to 2. Rose, Foye and McCants is a nice three guard lineup to build around (I'm not a big Bassy fan and we will not keep all of our RFAs).

That's my case for Rose over Beasley or anyone else, but as long as we stay in the top five and come away with Rose, Beasley, Lopez, Mayo and maybe Randolph (only seen him play twice, but I like him, just don't have a comfort with him because I haven't seen him enough).

[andyhop]

Reading DX's profile on Randolph nothing stands out for me as someone I would want to pick in the top 5.A fundamentally unsound,selfish,defensively challenged project combo forward isn't high on my list of needs.

If you are going to gamble on someone you might as well go with the higher upside guys like Jordan or Thabeet where at least the reward is worth the risk.

my list.

1)Beasley
2)Rose
3)Lopez
4)trade down if possible and pick one of the big guys ( Thabeet or Hibbert) late in the lottery

[Krapinsky]

Reading DX's profile on Randolph nothing stands out for me as someone I would want to pick in the top 5.A fundamentally unsound,selfish,defensively challenged project combo forward isn't high on my list of needs.

If you are going to gamble on someone you might as well go with the higher upside guys like Jordan or Thabeet where at least the reward is worth the risk.

my list.

1)Beasley
2)Rose
3)Lopez
4)trade down if possible and pick one of the big guys ( Thabeet or Hibbert) late in the lottery

You honestly think Thabeet has more upside than Randolph?

[deeney0]

I don't understand the sudden Randolph gushing at all. He's ridiculously skinny (which I don't mind so much in a 2/3 like Brew, but when we start talking about a guy who would spend time at 4, maybe even 5...), he's not a three point shooter, the last "athletic freak/next big thing" to come out of LSU isn't exactly wowing it up in Chicago.

As a SF prospect, gimme Joe Alexander. He's strong, quick, a leader, and has the reputation for an absolutely outstanding work ethic. He doesn't quite have the range on his shot yet, but I can see him quickly becoming what we've seen from Mike Dunleavy this year, only with much better defense.

As a big man prospect, give me Jordan. Better height, better wing span, better body to put muscle on (and already further along in that respect).

I really don't understand the 6'10+ SF phenomenon at all, especially for players like Randolph who can't shoot threes - really, all of the guys who have made in work in the NBA are better at PF anyway - Lewis, Odom, Harrington, even 'Toine - and they're all known as three point shooters.

[big3_8_19_21]

Odom isn't known as a three point shooter. He makes one from time to time, but he's not known a three point shooter.

[andyhop]

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You honestly think Thabeet has more upside than Randolph?

Sure a game changing defensive centre is a lot more valuable than a 2nd or 3rd level Tweener forward.

Now Randolph is more likely to reach close to his potential from all reports but even if he does he isn't going to be a real difference maker, so if you are going to take a risk you might as well go all out for the home run rather than the double.

[deeney0]

Odom isn't known as a three point shooter. He makes one from time to time, but he's not known a three point shooter.

He's taken almost three threes a game over his career. Perhaps that's not quite enough to qualify, and his percentages have gone up and down from season to season, but I'll take his career 32% from NBA three over Randolph's career 11% from college three.

[big3_8_19_21]

3 a game? wow, I didn't realize he shot that many...and 31.5% career is not good enough to justify shooting that many.

[Krapinsky]

I don't understand the sudden Randolph gushing at all. He's ridiculously skinny (which I don't mind so much in a 2/3 like Brew, but when we start talking about a guy who would spend time at 4, maybe even 5...), he's not a three point shooter, the last "athletic freak/next big thing" to come out of LSU isn't exactly wowing it up in Chicago.

As a SF prospect, gimme Joe Alexander. He's strong, quick, a leader, and has the reputation for an absolutely outstanding work ethic. He doesn't quite have the range on his shot yet, but I can see him quickly becoming what we've seen from Mike Dunleavy this year, only with much better defense.

As a big man prospect, give me Jordan. Better height, better wing span, better body to put muscle on (and already further along in that respect).

I really don't understand the 6'10+ SF phenomenon at all, especially for players like Randolph who can't shoot threes - really, all of the guys who have made in work in the NBA are better at PF anyway - Lewis, Odom, Harrington, even 'Toine - and they're all known as three point shooters.

I think the "phenomenon" has something more to do with Garnett/Bosh/Dirk than it has to do with Lewis/Odom/Harrington.

Remember when Garnett was drafted? He was a SF/PF.

Skinny? Randolph is 6'11 220 lbs according to draft express. He doesn't turn 19 until July! He could still grow to 7'0. By age 20 (he could easily weigh 250.

In comparison Garnett was 6'11 217lbs when drafted as an 18 year old out of high school.

Bosh was 6'10 and 210 lbs when drafted after his Freshman year out of Georgia Tech.

Dirk was ridiculed for being too skinny back when he was drafted.

Randolph is 6'11 220 and only 18 years old. He averaged 15pts 8 rbs and 2+ blocks as a freshman. Those numbers are nearly identical to Bosh's 15/9/2.

[deeney0]

Tell that to 'Toine, who's just a shade better career.

[the_bruce]

You sort of underestimate the combo of size\athleticism that this kid has here. Regardless of who we draft the only players in this draft who will have a solid year are lopez + Beasly. Every other player will probably spend at least 1-3 years sucking or borderline sucking every other game..

If I was gonna pick a player to compliment Al. I'd have to go with a bigger\quick multifaceted defender who can run the floor a bit and block some shots. I'm thinking guys like AK47 or Josh Smith. Randolph is capable of being this type of player in his first season, then theres the whole other aspect that he could develop into much more. Defensively if he gains some size\strength he could be off the charts in what he brings to a team.

As for the 6'10+ SF Phenomenon there was one SF years back who made it work pretty well w/o shooting 3's. You know that kid from Farragut Academy. Similar frame and athletic profile when coming into the league. Not to compare him to KG but lets be real no prospect is a sure thing, but when you look at what he could possibly do long term and what he can offer the team immediately you have to be intrigued.

[big3_8_19_21]

Tell that to 'Toine, who's just a shade better career.

You will find no Toine defense here

[deeney0]

Yeah, and even KG ended up at PF. I don't see Randolph (or Greene) at SF long term. So if we're talking about big men to pair with Al, I'll take the super athletic, super long 7'0 260 DeAndre Jordan over the super athletic, super long 6'11 220 Randolph if we're just talking about measureables - and don't fall in love with measureables, which is all I've gotten about Randolph so far.

And Bosh led the ACC in FG% as a freshman. Randolph is pedestrian (at least for a big man) 46%. If the Wolves go for a big man shooting that low a percentage, I hope it's Lopez.

[Worm Guts]

Yeah, and even KG ended up at PF. I don't see Randolph (or Greene) at SF long term. So if we're talking about big men to pair with Al, I'll take the super athletic, super long 7'0 260 DeAndre Jordan over the super athletic, super long 6'11 220 Randolph if we're just talking about measureables - and don't fall in love with measureables, which is all I've gotten about Randolph so far.

And Bosh led the ACC in FG% as a freshman. Randolph is pedestrian (at least for a big man) 46%. If the Wolves go for a big man shooting that low a percentage, I hope it's Lopez.

The reason people like Randolph over Jordan is because he actually produced as a freshman. Even as PF I'd think he'd work fine with Al. He's athletic enough to provide weakside help or stay with Chris Bosh type power forwards and he has a jumper which can clear out the middle for Al to operate.