IF Arenas Goes to the Clippers...

[queridiculo]

We've played well enough? We're 36-33, most seasons that's on the verge of the playoffs. I like how the team has competed, but don't let the current "success" blind you. This is probably as weak as this conference has been in years.

Kaman is not an upgrade over Haywood, I don't care what the number say. Having $13.6 million in salaries commited to two starting centers that have essentially the same game is madness of the highest order.

EG would deserve to be axed for that move.

[nate33]

Haywood better than Kaman.......Laughable. Kaman averages 16/13/3 a game!! I'd take Kaman and their #1 pick and then hopefully land a good college pg with our #1 this year considering we'd be a hell of a lot bigger with Kaman, Haywood, Jamison(If we re-sign, and Blatche... We could get a guy like UCLA's pg Collison near the end of the 1st round...

Pace adjusted per-40 numbers:

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Player        PTS  REB  AST  STL  BLK   TO eFG%  TS%  PER
kaman,chris  17.0 13.9  2.0  0.7  3.1  3.2 .478 .531 17.7
haywood,bren 15.7 10.9  1.3  0.6  2.5  2.2 .532 .587 18.5

Haywood scores nearly as much on a per-minute basis with significantly higher shooting percentages, lower turnovers and a better PER. Haywood is also the better defender. Kaman is clearly a better rebounder.

The two players are definitely close. I don't know if Haywood is actually better because we don't know if he can maintain his production over 38 minutes a game as the number 2 option like Kaman does. But they're close enough that the comparison isn't laughable.

On a team with plenty of offensive options like Jamison, Butler and Arenas, one can make a good case that Haywood helps the team more than Kaman would.

[jefbo_80]

Uh, Kaman is CLEARLY an upgrade over Haywood. We're talking about a guy that can log starters minutes night in and night out and give you 6 more ppg and SEVEN more rebounds per game with 1 1/2 more blocks a game!!!! If we were able to bring in Kaman I'd immediately look to ship Haywood and get rid of Thomas in any way...

The guy gives you starters minutes... The per stats are always bogus... Haywood can't give you more than 20 minutes on basically any given night. Give me Kaman's almost 14 boards a game!!!!!! and relatively good post offense and 16 ppg while being a premier shot blocker over Brendan Haywood. I can't believe this....... Get rid of Haywood then... Good riddance...

[GhostsOfGil]

did u even read the previous post?? haywood and kaman are very close but i would rather have haywood because of the contracts

[queridiculo]

Don't bother. The only thing that's clear is his lack of common sense. Basically jeffbo wants to get rid of our best player and our best interior defender for a draft pick and a center that isn't any better than our current starter.

[doclinkin]

BUT HE USED CAPS!!! Also exclamation points!!!! Even ellipses.... Don't you people know ANYTHING!!! That means he WINS!


Edit: Shoot I forgot I missed jeffbo, he could get his threads locked faster than ANYbody.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

JEFBO, hahaha...where have you been man?

[jefbo_80]

Don't bother. The only thing that's clear is his lack of common sense. Basically jeffbo wants to get rid of our best player and our best interior defender for a draft pick and a center that isn't any better than our current starter.

I don't 'want' to get rid of our 'best' player..... but if he's not going to sign here we should attempt to get something... You lack common sense. Common sense would allow for you to realize that Chris Kaman is a superior player than Brendan Haywood... He gives you double the rebounds nightly, is better offensively, and a much more effective shot blocker.

Yeah, get rid of Haywood and let Arenas walk, save money, add a superior big man we've lacked forever, a 1st rounder, and use this years 1st rounder on a point guard...

I'd rather have Kaman at 8 mill a year than Haywood at 5... Haywood at 5 mill gives you only 7 boards and 1.7 blocks a night... Not gonna cut it as a #1 big man...

Kaman, in the East could dominate... He gives you nearly 14 boards a game and 3 blocks a game not to mention better offensive ability...

Remind me again why I never come here

[queridiculo]

-= original quote snipped =-

Remind me again why I never come here

I think it's because you live in a bizarro world where everybody lacks the capacity for critical thinking except for you.

[jefbo_80]

You're a homer.

If being a homer allows you to hold onto Haywood if you had the chance to get Kaman.... man, that sucks.

[GhostsOfGil]

kamen is an offensive option the clips go to. haywood is the last player the wizards are going to run a play for, thus explaining the differential in points. haywood is a superior defender and a great offensive rebounder. the wizards dont need another offensive threat, they need a big body who can defend and roll to the basket for easy dunks/put backs. 9.999999999999999999999999/10 wizards fans take haywood over kamen ANY DAY.

[fugop]

I'd probably take Kaman over Haywood, but I really wouldn't mind having them both. A guy like Kaman or Bogut would fit into our offensive system much better than Brendan, as both are good enough passers to work out of the high post.

We'd be sacrificing on the defensive end, but neither are terrible there, and they'd probably let us use a more traditional PF than Jamison, who, despite his unexpected improvement this year, is still not someone I have confidence in on that end.

I wouldn't trade Arenas for Kaman by any stretch of the imagination, but I wouldn't turn down an opportunity to get Kaman at a reasonable price because we've got Haywood.

[Kanyewest]

Can Haywood play as efficiently as Chris Kaman in 10 more minutes per game? I doubt it. I also think Kama's efficiency will go up if he was on the Wizards since he would not be the 1st or 2nd option as he was this year.

[queridiculo]

So far this season Haywood has played 29 games in which he logged over 30 minutes with a mean of 33 minutes in those games.

Over those 29 games he's averaged 12.1 points which is just slightly below his 33 minute PER of 12.6 points. Adjusted for the 38 minutes that Kaman plays that would give Haywood 13.9 scoring average.

His rebounding in those games breaks down as follows:

4.5 off, 4.7 def, 9.2 rpg

Adjusted to 38 minutes it would break down like this:

5.1 off, 5.4 def, 10.5 rpg

Those are some pretty staggering numbers, espescially the offensive rebounding.

Would be interesting to go back over the gamelogs and extrapolate the numbers for his career, but just judging by those numbers it seems to me that he may be efficient with increased minutes.

[chuckerz]

it wouldn't make sense for Kaman to be traded since he's their center. And the wiz has Thomas and Haywood to play center. It would make sense if maggette is traded since al thornton can take his place and maggette is also not really happy with the clippers.

If maggette is traded, along with a first round, than a trio of Caron, Antawn and maggette would be an offensive nightmare. The clippers are projected a 6th pick overall which at that plae, the wiz can take a pg like DJ augustin or get an inside scorer like Blake Griffin.