Offseason: Pietrus, Barnes, Azubuike

[Tommy Udo 6]

I dont think any of those guys will be offered more than the MLE from anyone,

I also expect POB & Pietrus to be gone. Barnes is in limbo, but I think he'll stay. Azubuike will stay because W's will match any offer under the MLE

[ray ray]

I dont think any of those guys will be offered more than the MLE from anyone,

I also expect POB & Pietrus to be gone. Barnes is in limbo, but I think he'll stay. Azubuike will stay because W's will match any offer under the MLE

I fully expect the Suns to make a run at Pietrus. We have a Trade Exception worth 8 mil and the Suns will offer Micheal Pietrus about 6-8 mil a yr for about 4 yrs. The warriors would get our trade exception and our 2nd round pick. Coach D'Antoni loves Pietrus versitility and he would fit right in with Daiw and Hill at players who are 6'8 and are versitile.

[Sid the Squid]

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Suns will offer Micheal Pietrus about 6-8 mil a yr for about 4 yrs. .

[FNQ]

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I fully expect the Suns to make a run at Pietrus. We have a Trade Exception worth 8 mil and the Suns will offer Micheal Pietrus about 6-8 mil a yr for about 4 yrs. The warriors would get our trade exception and our 2nd round pick. Coach D'Antoni loves Pietrus versitility and he would fit right in with Daiw and Hill at players who are 6'8 and are versitile.

So the Suns are trading away 1st round picks to rid themselves of ECs so they can sign Mikael Pietrus?

What a diabolically stupid plan

[giberish]

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I fully expect the Suns to make a run at Pietrus. We have a Trade Exception worth 8 mil and the Suns will offer Micheal Pietrus about 6-8 mil a yr for about 4 yrs. The warriors would get our trade exception and our 2nd round pick. Coach D'Antoni loves Pietrus versitility and he would fit right in with Daiw and Hill at players who are 6'8 and are versitile.

I would bet any sum of money that this doesn't happen. Can you really see Sarver paying $12-16M/yr (including the luxury tax hit) for Pietrus. It's hard to claim that he's significantly better than James Jones.

[Twinkie defense]

The warriors would get our trade exception and our 2nd round pick.

There you go Sleepy - there's Patrick's 2nd rounder back

[old rem]

I don't think Warriors will still have any Bird Rights on Pietrus at seasons end so any sum over MLE we can't do to set up a S+T. Pietrus would do well with the Suns. So well I'd rather not send him there--even were that idea within the rules.

Technically...the Suns don't "send us" a TPE. They use their TPE to do a trade taking in salary for a pick. In effect it "completes" the prior deal when the Suns sent out more salary. GSW would get a fresh TPE by doing a trade where they get$0 salary incoming and whatever million outgoing. As Pietrus becomes a UFA and likely signs for MLE or a bit less-this is not happening.

[old rem]

So are you saying bulls6 that as long as no one offers them more than the MLE, we still have control if we want to resign them? And is that the case for all 3 of them? Because if so, (as you said) I can't seen anyone out there who will be willing to give them more than MLE on a multi-year. If that's the case, then maybe I've been a bit too hard on the FO as that would actually sounds like a pretty good strategy considering all of the uncertainty surround next season and all the important roster decisions which will have to be made

Well....the only "control" is Azu. RFA means we match. UFA means player X signs where he pleases and we have no say in that. That there are still Bird right/Early Bird to all,comes as a bit of a surprise. I thought any Bird rights to Pietrus-POB ended with the season. with Bird rights we are not forced to try squeezing 2 guys into the MLE. We MIGHT find an S+T deal we like,though we may find that what we can get in an S+T is either less attractive than the player we send away..or less attractuive than the cap $ if our FA just walks.

Yeah, " Barnes Sucks" yeah "Pietrus is HORRIBLE" yeah,"Azu is AWFUL"....I've read the threads. Well....relative to the hundreds of Hall Of Fame types we get to chose from to play for $4 mill or less....right.

Pietrus...Azu....Barnes....each has had a 30 pt game in the NBA,Each has some starts,Each has several games of 10+ rbd,each has several games of 20+ points. A lot of teams don't have but 1-2 guys on the bench with that stuff. A lot of teams have guys filling the bench who can't run,play D or pop a 3 like ANY of those 3. We are gonna be the run+gun team....so we lose 3 fast athletic guys who fit that style and get what?

If Webber-Croshere-POB all exit and we find 2 picks we don't cut 1 min into the season-we STILL have a slot for a walk-on if Barnes-Pietrus-Azu and Watson ALL returned.

I don't see wanting to roll the dice on 5-6 assorted castoffs,walk-ons,has-beens after we abolish the whole bench except the rarely used rookies of this year.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Warriors DO have Bird Rights on Pietrus. They can pay him anything they wish, regardless of salary cap. (They wont - but they could. Bird Rights were never lost.)

They do not have the right to match an offer from another team. If Pietrus wants to go, he's gone. (With Azubuike they can match.)

Warriors can do a sign & trade to any team & that team would get Pietrus' Bird Rights as part of trade. If a team signs Pietrus outright, Bird Rights are lost - although the new team regains them after 3 years

[old rem]

Pietrus and Azubuike have shown me in the past 2 weeks.....more important..shown Nellie,they can be a real plus in our style.

I've often maintained that MP had the basic tools but he'd never had the core fundamentals most players learned way before getting to the NBA. A lot of players nit the NBA after playing as a HS star a few years-then a college star a few years...a full time starter role-lots of teaching. MP went from Guadalupe to France and was a part timer in Euro Ball-hit the NBA,still raw,got a lot of varied roles and 3 coaches in his short career without having the ideal chances to learn one role and one style and master it and play full time. He's not a fast learner...but that does not say he's a dummy. He WAS a project and is lately becoming a player. As I have said...I think the Warrior's left him dangling in the wind and he may well be thinking that his best future is someplace else. He may be right. If so-probably someplace else puts more $ on the table. Lately MP HAS played up to the level you expect from a guy getting MLE $. More important-he's hit a level where he's still learning and is not backsliding into too many rookie type blunders.

How much $$ would the Warriors offer? Good question. If MP takes whatever deal is top $,we are the team that CAN go over MLE. I rather doubt we WOULD,I think the Warriors currently are HOPEFUL they keep him at not more than $5 mill,and at that price there can be a half dozen other offers to compete with.

Azubuike left Kentucky before really establishing much-but went undrafted-catching attention by burning up the D league. Unlike MP-he is a fast learner who had decent fundamentals. He's just got a little more time in the NBA than a rookie,but he can and does play like a borderline NBA starter when he has the chance. Like MP he's a speed and hops guy with enough strength to battle in traffic. As a scorer-he's a better improviser than MP...got moves. With Azu a restricted...he's 95% to return.

Barnes....will be seen as a good 6th man,not young enough to be "upside" but a guy with versatility. He will be viewed a bit as "product of the system" and pretty much a 6th man. There might be a team that goes as far as $5 mill but don't bet on it. Here? I see a bit less than 50-50 odds Pietrus returns. If Pietrus is re-upped....then I think Barnes is much less likely to get a competitive offer from the W's. If Pietrus exits-Barnes staying gets more important.

There is only a longshot chance that we keep POB. I am not able to fathom what goes on behind the scenes. I can't see the logic in the whole process so far. It LOOKS like the Warriors/Nellie,has POB in particular and centers in general,low priority. POB has to feel dissed and frustrated,and I think at this point-would choose to escape even if we were to offer a decent deal. MAYBE there is some behind the scenes master plan....I just don't see that.

Watson has looked better than the other #3/low cost PG's who've passed through. He probably won't get any kind of long or guaranteed contract but I see him at least welcome back for preseason with an inside track on fending off challengers. Monta has turned into a fast rising star at SG. While Monta also is looking like a fine future PG,the Baron-Monta backcourt is just doing too well for a big change. If Baron stays as PG,then Monta is the regular at SG and the importance of Watson and/or? at backup PG goes up a bit.

Draft? To me we obviously have to look first at a big,a PF or PF/C. We lack the option to match size and strength inside and we can move up when we finally add that. We might go SF/SG swing man-assuming Pietrus departs. Trouble is that nobody of that sort really has the whole package and is apt to be there at #20. As much as Nellie ignored POB and Kosta....I can't see a full size C on rd 1. PG? There's a batch of freshman-soph "upside" guys expected to go high. There are a few "bargains" who can go late #1 or upper half of rd 2. Our slot is in between. Our draft plan will somewhat link to our priority in who gets re-signed. I say somewhat because Nellie might ignore anyone we draft.

[Left*My*Heart]

Pietrus disturbs me. He has only played well since he finally had to accept the fact that the Warriors weren't going to trade him. He is playing for a new contract, which he should had been doing all along. I question his character especially if you are looking at a long term deal. He is slow to come back from injuries and his play is very inconsistent. I don't think he is worth more than 3 mil a year and that is probably overpaying him.

I don't know Buike status. I have seen him listed as a player option and I have seen him listed as a team option. I think he stays a Warrior next year.

I was surprised that the Warriors were able to keep Barnes. I think Barnes will be in the same boat as last season, where teams are concerned that the system is responsible for his production. I think he has less appeal this off season because of his play. If the Warriors want him, they can probably keep him.

I'm much more concerned about keeping Biedrins and Ellis, especially Biedrins, because I think the Warriors will pony up to Ellis.

[Sleepy51]

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There you go Sleepy - there's Patrick's 2nd rounder back

Homertard,

Getting a TE and a 2nd this summer for a guy who would have yielded us a rotation player and change if we'd moved him last summer (IF we'd have been willing to committ future salary commensurate with NBA rotation talent) doesn't make up for getting ZERO value for a completely different player that we spent a 1st round pick on. If you believe all Pete was worth last summer was a TE and a 2nd, you're not a homer, you're just dumb. We probably halved his trade value because we only wanted 1 year deals so that Cohan doesn't have to pay 1 lousy year of Lux Tax.

It's bad asset managment, and that was one of your most idiotic posts this season.

You are approaching critical status on the ignorometer. Get your act together before you become totally worthless.