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Post#481 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:11 am

craig01 wrote:Tough loss.

Not really that important though.

Predictable outcome.


Yep, the Magic would have been in for a fight even if they had everyone healthy, but losing two starters really boosted the difficulty factor.

One thing I will say about the Spurs....if Tony Parker doesn't play better than he played tonight, they will struggle against their West opponents. I don't think I've ever seen him have a worse game against the Magic. He just looked totally out of sync.

I think if the Magic can get even one or two more wins that they are going to get the division title so in the grand scheme of things, this loss really doesn't matter.

As far as getting ready for the playoffs, though, you'd just like everyone to be healthy and working toward getting ready mentally and physically. Now, if Hedo and Jameer have to miss any time, we really have some adversity to talk about. But I do just have to wonder aloud, does any team come away from a Spurs game without an injury? It seems like most game stories I read say someone gets hurt in games against them. Not saying that they are responsible for the Magic's injuries....Dwight took out Jameer but still.....
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Post#482 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:15 am

mattyBoi wrote:Just saying its not good to be losing this time of year against some possible playoff opponents


I'll agree on that about the Wizards (without Arenas) and Hawks (who I am so sick of losing to that I can't even really stand to watch those games in Atlanta anymore).

But if the Magic end up facing the Spurs in the playoffs, then they will have had a fine season.
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Post#483 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:35 am

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I'm seriously just waiting for the day that a player gets so fed up on the court (and I mean a big time player), that they just walk right off the court and into the locker room without saying a word. Or when they get to the podium they just blast off on the officials and it's all over ESPN.

I'm just waiting for it. I think it'll happen eventually. However I have noticed that the emotions of a fan and a player differentiate hugely. When playing I would never get as upset as I would be watching. Watching i'd say "i would kick the ball, get a T, I don't care. Show em I think their full of it" but on the court I'd just shake my head and maybe say a word or two and then go back to playing.


If one of our players did that, someone on this board would say they need to just stop complaining about the calls and play harder. We've seen that at least a hundred times this season for much lesser displays of emotion.

It's really tough to know how the players can win. Did anyone catch the end of the Warriors-Lakers game on Monday night? On the very last game of overtime, the Warriors were trying to inbound the ball to get off a shot to tie the score or hit a 3 to get the win. The players all lined up and when the Warriors started to inbound the ball, the players all ended up locked up like they were NFL linemen. Derek Fisher literally pulled Monta Ellis on top of him. Ellis was charged with the foul. Fisher hit the free throws and the Warriors lost the game. It had been a darned good game until that happened. At the very least, it should have been a no-call. The refs stole that game from the Warriors.

I mean...what do you do? The better teams almost always get the calls. Sometimes, players get injured because the refs let the games get so out of hand, and sometimes you can't get close enough to breathe on a guy or you're hit with a foul. You're told you have to earn respect. Basically, it comes down to whether the refs like you or think your team is important enough to deserve the calls. You can bite your tongue forever and not get respect. If you don't ever say anything, they're likely to keep calling fouls against you. But if you complain, you'll get told to stop whining, and the refs will point their fingers in the opposite direction when you approach them or tell your coach that they don't want to hear another word out of him (so much for the refs respecting the players and coaches). That has happened to the Magic several times in the past couple years.

Unless you're one of those teams that always gets the calls. you just cannot win. This is something that the league always has needed to fix and never does. I can honestly say that I have left more games angry (and finished watching more games of other teams on TV angry) because the officiating dictated the outcome of the games -- not the players -- than I have left angry because of poor play by the team I was rooting for in that game. (Obviously, I'm not a Knicks fan.)

By the way, I just want to say that I am not talking about tonight's game in particular. I was unable to see the game tonight. It's just a general observation. I was still mad about the Lakers-Warriors game, and I had no dog in that hunt.
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Post#484 » by lovehoops01 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:04 am

vinageras wrote:mattyBoi, it's not denial, it's just not reasonable, at least for me, that a guy who was so good at college level could just plain suck here...
I think we haven't seen what he's capable of, and I think people labeling him as a scrub will be very surprised


Trajan Langdon, Mateen Cleaves, Christian Laettner....It happens. Not saying yet that J.J. is one of those guys (and Laettner did have a long, disappointing NBA career), but it does happen sometimes. Redick deserves some more time to prove himself, though.
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Post#485 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:19 am

The loss of Jameer and Hedo hurt bad. These guys are by far the best at getting us into our offense. We looked pretty lost without them. Arroyo and Dooling may have put points on the board, but they were piss poor at running the offense.

SVG deserves a little (not a lot, but a little) blame. We should have been running everything through Dwight and Rashard in the secong half. He was far too content to let guys like Arroyo, Dooling and Bogans do anything the wanted out there. This game more than any other should have been the game that Shard pushed 40 points.
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Post#486 » by AdamTheGreek » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:00 pm

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Post#487 » by magicmamma » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:58 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:The loss of Jameer and Hedo hurt bad. These guys are by far the best at getting us into our offense. We looked pretty lost without them. Arroyo and Dooling may have put points on the board, but they were piss poor at running the offense.

SVG deserves a little (not a lot, but a little) blame. We should have been running everything through Dwight and Rashard in the secong half. He was far too content to let guys like Arroyo, Dooling and Bogans do anything the wanted out there. This game more than any other should have been the game that Shard pushed 40 points.


Thanks for making this point. When Jameer went down, "lost" is exactly the way the team looked to me. Few here are giving Jameer any credit for how well he has been running the offense. And when Jameer is resting, Hedo helps out.

This game was really an impressive effort. We were playing the NBA champions who are fighting for their playoff spot, and we had nothing to fight for but pride. We lost two starters in the first quarter. It's hard for a team to beat a bottom feeder with two starters out, even if they went down in the previous game and there was a plan for playing without them. Yet this "headless" team stayed in the game to the couple of minutes. If it hadn't been for that stretch when there seemed to be a lid on the basket, they might have won.

The strangest thing SVG did was when he put in JJ in the 3rd -- Howard, Lewis, Bogans, Redick, and Arroyo. What a lineup! It was just total chaos out there. These guys had no idea how to play together. What was he thinking?

Incidentally, in his post-game interview Hedo said he injured his wrist/hand in his charge. He landed hard on his hand in an attempt to avoid injuring the player he was landing on.
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Post#488 » by Bucs80 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:47 pm

Yeah for people who say Jameer isn't important. Well if you watched yesterdays game it wasn't even flowing right.
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Post#489 » by AdamTheGreek » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:31 pm

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Post#490 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:48 pm

The Magic played hard which was great being shorthanded and had a chance being down by only 2 but not enough firepower. Thankfully the injury to Hedo is minor and Jameer should be back in the next week or so. But man the game got ugly when Bogans somehow missed those 3 FT's after he got fouled shooting a 3. Talk about a momemtum buster..........way to go Bogans.............
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