Bogut on Marvin

[saloonyk8]

I'd like to see a Bogut for Marvin trade. I think it definitely makes sense for us. We need another big man...the only ones that really can fit out team are Bogut, Kaman, maybe Dalembert type. He's the cheapest of any decent C out there I think. I know he's not a great defensive presence, but few at his position are...him and Horford up front would be really strong, especially if you consider our overall lineup: Bibby/JJ/Smith/Horford/Bogut, with Childress and Acie the first two off the bench.

I don't know if MIL would do it, but I think at least from a Hawks perspective if this trade went down I would not be disappointed.

[blkout]

Bogut is a 7 foot 2nd scoring option

Wait... what? Bogut isn't the 2nd scoring option for the Bucks you have to be crazy. It goes Redd, Mo, CV (when starting), Bogut.

Defensively, he has made strides. But he has gone for incredibly bad to bad

That's not true at all. Bogut's the best (only) defender on the Bucks team, he's gone from bad to good in the space of a season.

Offensively, Bogut gets the ball and the offense is run through him nearly everytime down the court.

That's because the Bucks don't have one single ball distributing PG. Having the offense run through him doesn't mean he is a higher scoring option, it's purely because of his passing ability. That being said, it's only been in 2008 that the offense has really been run through him consistently and he's putting up 16/10 in that period.

I haven't seen Horford play enough so unlike Rip I won't comment on individual parts of his game, but I think you're underselling Bogut a fair bit. Sorry to interject, but I've seen him play a hell of a lot so I thought I'd offer my 0.2c.

[_BBIB_]

That isn't really the way most people are looking at him. I think we all just expected more out of him. Obviously he was gonna take a minute to develop, but you don't expect it to be this slow - he was the number 2 in a decent draft.

Actually it WAS.

People have selective amnesia.

Marvin Williams is the guy taken after a 13 win season because he had the most star potential. But it was made VERY clear he was a guy who would take 3-4 years to develop.

Dude hadn't started a game since HS and was very raw offensively.


Marvin Williams is in his 2nd year as a starter and not nearly as behind schedule as people are making it seem.

He's had a few of the best games of his career this year showing many promising signs.


Next year will tell a whole lot more about Marvin's future

[HoopsGuru25]

BBIB you are VERY wrong on Marvin and this is coming from some one who supported the pick at the time. We KNEW these things ahead of time going into the draft.

1. Marvin would have to be significantly better than Paul/Williams/Felton because he was a SF when we already had 4 SF's who needed minutes(Chilz,Smith,Diaw,and Harrington who was a 3 playing at the 4). In hindsight picking Marvin would have been a mistake anyway since Paul is the top player at his position(which means he should have gone 1st)and Marvin would probably have to be as good as Lebron(which we knew wasn't possible)to offset not taking Paul. Even if you disregard that...if I knew Marvin was only scoring 15 ppg on a below 500 team in his 3rd year, there is NO WAY I would have taken him with the 2nd pick. Saying he would take 3-4 years to develop is a joke considering Paul is only 22.

2. Marvin was not nearly as "raw" offensively as you suggest. A 'raw" offensive player is some one like Josh Smith or Tyrus Thomas who are drafted purely off of athleticism. These players have no real skills or fundamentals when coming into the NBA. The reason why Marvin was considered such a good prospect is because he had the NBA ready body(6'8 230 with long arms),good athleticism,good ball handling skills for his size,and a picture perfect jumpshot at 18 years old. Marvin was actually a BETTER scorer as a freshman(considering minutes) than Paul and Williams were as sophmores/juniors. The fact that they are both scoring around 20 ppg with much better efficiency than Marvin actually shows how slow Marvin's development has been.

[JoshB914]

I'm willing to give Marvin another year. But what's frustrating is he hasn't shown consistent progress. We were supposd to see "flashes" his first two years, this season we were supposed to start seeing a more polished and consistent Marvin Williams. If you ask me, he is nowhere close to where we want him to be right now.

[_BBIB_]

BBIB you are VERY wrong on Marvin and this is coming from some one who supported the pick at the time. We KNEW these things ahead of time going into the draft.

1. Marvin would have to be significantly better than Paul/Williams/Felton because he was a SF when we already had 4 SF's who needed minutes(Chilz,Smith,Diaw,and Harrington who was a 3 playing at the 4). In hindsight picking Marvin would have been a mistake anyway since Paul is the top player at his position(which means he should have gone 1st)and Marvin would probably have to be as good as Lebron(which we knew wasn't possible)to offset not taking Paul. Even if you disregard that...if I knew Marvin was only scoring 15 ppg on a below 500 team in his 3rd year, there is NO WAY I would have taken him with the 2nd pick. Saying he would take 3-4 years to develop is a joke considering Paul is only 22.

2. Marvin was not nearly as "raw" offensively as you suggest. A 'raw" offensive player is some one like Josh Smith or Tyrus Thomas who are drafted purely off of athleticism. These players have no real skills or fundamentals when coming into the NBA. The reason why Marvin was considered such a good prospect is because he had the NBA ready body(6'8 230 with long arms),good athleticism,good ball handling skills for his size,and a picture perfect jumpshot at 18 years old. Marvin was actually a BETTER scorer as a freshman(considering minutes) than Paul and Williams were as sophmores/juniors. The fact that they are both scoring around 20 ppg with much better efficiency than Marvin actually shows how slow Marvin's development has been.

We were a 13 win ball club and neither Josh Smith nor Josh Childress had emerged as something great. Marvin Williams had the most star potential in the draft.


You are completely wrong if you don't think Marvin was a raw prospect offensively.


Read the scouting report:

Offensively, Marvin has only shown that he can score in one of four ways: open stand still jumpshots, lay-ups / dunks on fast breaks, put-backs and free throws. Marvin hasn