Kobe's Constant Complaining to the Refs

[LLcoleJ]

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Phil, what's swinging your arms and screaming at the refs going to do besides upset them?

you learn that no matter what you say, the refs will never reverse the call because of something a player says.

I have said on many different occasions in this thread that Kobe needs to tone down his screaming. That doesnt take away from the fact that he is getting fouled.

[LLcoleJ]

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I agree, I can understand if he got whacked across the head and no call...but as u said he can be tapped on his left shoulder going up right handed and be livid with the refs.

Kind of an obscure reference. But to further expand on what you said.. he might not get hit across the head on every play.. but if a player touches his arm when he shoots .. that is a foul.

[FSUNOLE03]

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Kind of an obscure reference. But to further expand on what you said.. he might not get hit across the head on every play.. but if a player touches his arm when he shoots .. that is a foul.

But... Kobe is also a grown man and needs to play basketball like one. He is also supposed to be a leader and this complaining are showing bad leadership skills.

Kobe is crying over ticky tack stuff at times.

[LLcoleJ]

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But... Kobe is also a grown man and needs to play basketball like one. He is also supposed to be a leader and this complaining are showing bad leadership skills.

Kobe is crying over ticky tack stuff at times.

But... I have said over and over in this thread that he needs to tone down his yelling.. yet , you and others look right past that.

That being said, "ticky tack" ?--- when he gets fouled he gets fouled and he needs to bring it to the attention of the refs everytime..just not in the manner he is doing it.

A foul is a foul.

[milesfides]

Bad leadership skills?

From the L.A. Times:

"Kobe is the protective top dog for most of his teammates," Jackson said. "I think he's gotten four or five of those technicals going to bat for his teammates this year rather than individually complaining about his own situation."

http://www.latimes.com/sports/printedit ... 5711.story

Also, nobody is saying Kobe doesn't need to tone it down. Phil talked to him about it a couple days ago. Consequently, there was a marked change in Kobe's demeanor towards the refs in the last game.

If we're all Laker fans and see this as such a big problem, how is it that only a couple posters in this entire thread noticed the change?

Stop whining about Kobe whining.

[O.C Brandon]

Look, OCB, I'm not a blinded Kobe homer in any way, but Kobe plays the game the right way. He takes enormous pride in playing the game the right way. He's the epitome of the word perfectionist and he expects the refs to be perfect, too.

About 99% of everything he does on the floor is calculated and precise, including brushing off a defender for the and one. When they don't call what he created, he gets pissed. I would, too. Because he planned it and executed it exactly the way he planned it.

The thing is, he still shouldn't complain as much as he does. It only creates resentment from the refs. We could use the exact opposite of that.

I definitely can see Kobe takes tremendous pride in what he does, but also pride should keep you from complaining all the time about a foul.

We all know the refs are not perfect, sometimes kobe will not get the obvious call and sometimes he'll get the call that only the ref saw. its just the way it goes, you can't always have it your way.

I see you realize that Kobe goes over the edge at times and I'm sure you and I think that if Kobe must complain about a call then there's a good way to do it, like during a timeout, or after the play just walk up to the ref and let him or her know what their missing...that usually works best.

I love Kobe, he in my opinion is the best player today, with Duncan and LBJ being a close 2nd but the constant swinging of the arm towards the ref and foul language is utterly outlandish to me.

[O.C Brandon]

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Kind of an obscure reference. But to further expand on what you said.. he might not get hit across the head on every play.. but if a player touches his arm when he shoots .. that is a foul.

That would depend on who initiates the contact.

He gets fouled a lot but that still doesn't give you the right to show up the ref.

There's a civilized way to address a ref, I noticed when a player takes the correct approach, they actually listen and give you a explanation.

bottom line, Phil I think we are on the same page about this, somewhere.

[milesfides]

Your posts make a lot more sense ever since you abandoned your "Kobe mostly takes low percentage shots that take us out of the game" argument.

Now you've adopted the "kobe should tone it down with his complaining" point, which nobody was disagreeing with anyways.

Did you see Kobe's behavior during last night's game? On your local channel?

[O.C Brandon]

Your posts make a lot more sense ever since you abandoned your "Kobe mostly takes low percentage shots that take us out of the game" argument.

Now you've adopted the "kobe should tone it down with his complaining" point, which nobody was disagreeing with anyways.

Did you see Kobe's behavior during last night's game? On your local channel?

you're a fiesty one indeed.

miles, go back to my initial post and you will see that my take mainly is about kobe overracting towards ref, basically saying he needs to tone it down, a lot.

I didn't all of a sudden decide to "adopt" this, it was actually my reason for posting and while I was doing that I added a few other things.

you should also stop telling me how I'm abandoned my argument, I didn't do no such thing. I've said kobe takes low percentage shots a lot, yes he may make them at times but the reality is their low percentage shots...maybe why he's a 45% shooter for his career.

But that's my opinion Miles, I hate arguing opinions because an agreement is usually never met. You feel kobe doesn't take low percentage shots, although I disagree to the highest level possible....guess what, that's your opinion.

Now kobe getting technicals for complaining in the manner he's done and saying he needs to "tone" it down is a fact, I'd say.

anyway, how's your day going Miles?

[milesfides]

Two games in a row.

The downside to Kobe's newfound commitment to not say a word is that nobody else is working the refs, fighting for calls.

[FSUNOLE03]

This thread has to be brought up again. Kobe was atrocious last night like a little girl. Ive never seen NBA Legends(Jordan, Magic, Bird,etc) cry this much.

Not only has his crying taken on a new head but know he refuses to play defense if he feels he has been fouled not only the play before but 3 plays before. What is going on in this guys head?

[snaquille oatmeal]

as far as Kobes behaviour with the refs- I blame Rasho.

[Gerald3Wallace]

kobe aint never gonna get calls when he complains like that....i dont know why he copmplains...u get to the line 10 times a game.

EDIT: kobes now letting his emotions get the best of him, use to be odom

[milesfides]

Well this ended about a week or two of Kobe being on his bestest behavior. Don't think he complained more than two or three times in the past few games.

He was due, and it was a major meltdown.

Hopefully he takes care of the problem, because we're like a headless chicken out there without him.

The irony is that when he made it a point not to ever complain, he didn't get any calls whatsoever. So there must be a happy medium here, complaining in just a way to lobby for the team's success while not shooting yourself in the foot. He's got to find it soon though, without falling to the extremes.

[El Hardee]

Kobe needs to get it in his head that just cause he yells "HEEEEEY" everytime he drives doesnt mean its a foul.

[Blame Rasho]

as far as Kobes behaviour with the refs- I blame Rasho.