My offseason moves,draft picks & free agent pickups

[darobster17]

I'd first off, entertain offers for Al Harrington and hopefully get a more versatile sixth man that can do what Al can do but for cheaper and possibly a shorter contract...Ideally I'd like to get Mike Miller somehow.

Also if there's a Mp sign and trade deal that makes us a better rebounding and or defensive team without slowing the team down, I'd do it. Like tonight's game, Monta Ellis is our leading rebounder..

Draftwise, we need a the best available talent that can contribute either off the bench next season. If Jason Thompson or Donta Greene is available at our 1st round pick, they are the no brainer pick. Thompson despite playing for a Mid-major school I'd still take. Tyler Smith is the other player I'd want.

In the second round, I like Sonny Weems...from the Youtube clips I've seen, I think he could be our MP replacement. Shan Foster or Bryce Taylor is another guy that is worth considering.

If we could find a Shawn Marion type like player in the free agent market, we should pick him up. I'd settle for James Jones or Gerald Green. Jones is a good 3pt shooter and played for the Suns and Blazers. Green is young and super athletic.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Since Harrington hired Dan Fegan, others teams may be reluctant to take him. They realize he is looking to opt out after next season & will want a huge payday

[Sleepy51]

Since Harrington hired Dan Fegan, others teams may be reluctant to take him. They realize he is looking to opt out after next season & will want a huge payday

Harrington's last year is an option? I though he just had two more firm guaranteed years left.

I don't see how a huge payday is in the cards. He's prettymuch universally regarded as having underperformed his current deal, and his best performace has happened with the aid of Nellie-ball (generally considered to be statistically inflationary.) He's probably more concerned with getting as many years on his deal as possible rather than any huge pay-raise.

[Left*My*Heart]

I didn't care too much for Al until paying closer attention to him. He does some knuckleheaded things, but overall he plays tough and does what he is asked to do. I view him as a great bench guy and part time starter because of his ability to play a couple of positions. He also does a lot of things that make him perfect for creating mismatches.

I'm not against trading him, but I just don't want to give him away either. To be competitive in the West, the Warriors are going to have to make a big trade. I don't know if that means Al is included or what.

[Sleepy51]

I didn't care too much for Al until paying closer attention to him. He does some knuckleheaded things, but overall he plays tough and does what he is asked to do. I view him as a great bench guy and part time starter because of his ability to play a couple of positions. He also does a lot of things that make him perfect for creating mismatches.

I'm not against trading him, but I just don't want to give him away either. To be competitive in the West, the Warriors are going to have to make a big trade. I don't know if that means Al is included or what.

It's hard to see us getting deeper if we move Al. He is unfortunately just slightly overpaid for what his best role would be. He gets lower end starter money for a big, maybe $2MM more than he's worth as a 6 man. Like everything else about him, his salary is tweenerish. Because he's not a "value" contract, we would have to tack on picks or young talent to an Al trade to get multiple competent working parts back. That would probably put us in the position of overpaying for what we get beck. Al is not a piece that would work well in a "quality for quantity" deal because though I like him, the quality is not high enough to fetch multiple rotation players. One of the parts comming back would have to be a terrible contract, or a scrub. How does that help?

Trading Al for a single player? All we could expect to bring back is a purer shooter with more size, or a bigger player with less skill. No one is trading a us a traditional starting caliber F/C 1:1 for Al. So if we deal Al for one rotation player, I'd say we'd actually end up with less depth, because the guy we get back would not likely be able to do as many things (though likely better at one specialized thing.)

We're all freaked out about short rotations and getting deeper. Al is the kind of player that fits very well for actual quality depth. He gives us depth at multiple positions and there is some quality to it. He's a shooter, a versitile frontcourt player with some size, some skills and a work ethic. We just need to make more out of Brandan as he matures so that Al can fit approrpiately as the 6. (Playing him off the bench behind Pete is just dumb drunk bull s .)

I understand that trading Al fits the economics, but it wouldn't amount to much more than a salray dump unless we pile picks and young players on top of him. To me that's more bad asset management when we could just be patient and get more value for him as an expiring.

Keep Al. You have to have expirings with some meat on the contract to get into the quality player trade market. An expiring Al type + a Beli type + 1st tops the package that brought the Lakers Gasol.

[Left*My*Heart]

I think you plan on keeping Al now. He will bring more value as an expiring of course and that would be the time to move him.

What concerns me is Biedrins. There have been a few rumors that have floated around the past couple of seasons that Mullin isn't sold on the guy. If the two sides are so far apart this off season, I could see the Warriors moving him in a possible sign and trade.

Monta's play has assured him of getting a pretty large contract. The Warriors would be foolish to not re-sign him. I do wish he had a better handle on the PG position. With Baron probably not optioning out, Baron would be a likely choice to be moved to say the Clips for Brand. I don't know how off the wall that is, but Brand is one of only a few big dollar players on either LA team that might be available.

If possible, I would like to see Baron, Ellis, Biedrins, Jack, Wright and Al as Warriors. I'm not sure how you can upgrade the team and still keep all of them.

I do believe the Warriors could have used the JRich TE to add a Gooden type player for the second half of the season. He would have at least played tough inside for us. I don't care too much for him, but it would have been nice to have another rotation player down low.

[gswhoop]

i dont think that getting rid of al is necessarily a good thing, he knows his role and he doesnt complain a lick.

Pietrus is off the books so we can either sign and trade, let him walk or sign him again.


My major move would be to deal Baron for a top 3 pick along with another player. I think that since Miami is in desperate need of a PG, they may be best scenario. We do this because we don't have to worry about the cost of resigning Monta and Andris since there will be enough cap space. They get 2 picks in the draft that could result in my personal combo of Derrick Rose and Hibbert. or Beasley and collison.

If Nelly allows his young guns to play the lineup would be
Rose
Monta
Jack
Wright
Andris

or

Monta
Jack
Beasley
Wright
Andris

[Sleepy51]

Pietrus is off the books so we can either sign and trade, let him walk or sign him again.

It is imperative that Pete not be on this roster next year. Even if that means letting him walk for nothing. Pete is the 1 toy that we absolutely positivilely have to take away from Nellie. As long as Pete can outperform his size on the glass, that keeps Nellie comfortable going small against anyone. Even though by keeping a grown sized forward off the floor we lose on so many other fronts (challenging shots, put backs, muscle, etc.) Nellie seems convinced that if he can have a corner 3ball shooter grab 7 reboounds that small ball is working.

Players like Pete are the real fools gold in smallball.

We need to not have that mini-forward option here next season. This was my #1 priority last offseason, and I didn't even hate Pete back then. The problem is that he is too tempting as a smallball tool (emphasis on tool) for us to get any bigger thus better. Nellie needs to be kept away from sharp objects when it comes to the 4 spot. I don't mind if the replcement 4 is a no defense 3ball gunner like Charlie V. As long as he's tall enough to create more traffic near the rim and keep Dre from being buried in one on two paint matchups with the Duncan's and Boozers and their sizeable sidekicks.

It could be a player every bit as dumb. It doesn't have to be a back to the basket banger. It doesn't have to be a defensive phenom. But, it HAS to be someone bigger. We need more hands at the rim.

[killacalijatt]

i dont think that getting rid of al is necessarily a good thing, he knows his role and he doesnt complain a lick.

Pietrus is off the books so we can either sign and trade, let him walk or sign him again.


My major move would be to deal Baron for a top 3 pick along with another player. I think that since Miami is in desperate need of a PG, they may be best scenario. We do this because we don't have to worry about the cost of resigning Monta and Andris since there will be enough cap space. They get 2 picks in the draft that could result in my personal combo of Derrick Rose and Hibbert. or Beasley and collison.

If Nelly allows his young guns to play the lineup would be
Rose
Monta
Jack
Wright
Andris

or

Monta
Jack
Beasley
Wright
Andris

Why You wana be in the lottery the next 13 years again. Maybe you do I dont

[old rem]

[quote="Sleepy51"][/quote]

And Charlie V or the likes would be more hands at the rim?

More like less.

We need players who PLAY big. It would help if they ARE big as well but a bunch of Charlie V's won't get us anywhere. What happened when MP couldn't play vs LA. Did Nellie call up POB or even use Wright a lot more? No,Azu,not quite as tall as Pietrus,filled the role. If it wasn't him,it would be Barnes.

If you gave Nellie a guy we'd see as a PF...Nellie would use him at C.
It would change nothing really,some other 6-6 guy replaces MP and the 6-9 PF probably gets the C role Webber was supposed to fill.

[Tommy Udo 6]

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Harrington's last year is an option? I though he just had two more firm guaranteed years left.

I don't see how a huge payday is in the cards. He's prettymuch universally regarded as having underperformed his current deal, and his best performace has happened with the aid of Nellie-ball (generally considered to be statistically inflationary.) He's probably more concerned with getting as many years on his deal as possible rather than any huge pay-raise.

Yes, his last year is an option.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages ... rriors.jsp

Sham is very accurate. If he says it, I buy it!!!

[Sleepy51]

So sayeth the Sham.

[Twinkie defense]

Actually, Sham says he sucks, and that he's a dick

I don't understand people who want to see Al gone. He's frustrating with his on-again, off-again scoring and trouble sinking the one foot shot. But the question is, if he's gone, who replaces him on the roster who is as good or better? And hopefully, "better," because we want to upgrade the roster, not track sideways.

If there is a scheme where Al goes and we get a better player in return - especially a better, bigger player - I'm all for it. But in any other circumstance I'd like him to stay (ideally as a 6th man with Wright seizing the starting PF slot).

What concerns me is Biedrins. There have been a few rumors that have floated around the past couple of seasons that Mullin isn't sold on the guy.

Where were you hearing this? Everything I've heard is that Mully is in with Goose.