Say hello to your #1 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft....

[skones]

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Yea Tony Parker and Chaucey Billups?
Do you think they would won it with Tim Duncan or the Wallace Boys who were the real MVP's of both those series.

Would Duncan or "the Wallace Boys" have won without Parker and Billups. It goes both ways.

Beasley isn't a Duncan. He's not a guy who makes everyone around him better. He's not a guy who's going to anchor a defense.

Need I mention the times that Billups was an MVP candidate a couple years ago, and NOT either of the Wallaces? Need I mention the back to back finals appearances that Kidd led his team to AT THE POINT GUARD POSITION.

Point Guard and Center are the two toughest positions to fill in the entire league.

Oh by the way, Beasley was a great leader this year in the NCAA's. Put that team on his back and got his teams ass kicked in the second round. Good job.

[DaGoodz]

A franchise big,either at PF or Center is more important than a franchise PG. Thats why teams rarely pick PG's #1. I just don't see it happening.
I can see Lopez or Beasley easily getting picked ahead of Rose.
Heck Chris Paul dropped to 4th, Rose can easily drop to 2 or even 3

[TheKingOfVa360]

Beasley will be number 1 for sure. Always draft a big man with star potential first!

[Doctor MJ]

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Right, because PG's are more import than Bigmen?
When is the last time a PG has lead his team to a championship.
Magic Johnson and Isiah in the 80's??
Teams emphasize bigs more than PG's. Rose will go #2

Maybe I'm missing something here. A "big man" is indeed what you ideally based your team around, but you think Beasley's a big man? You think Beasley is going to be a defensive juggarnaut that alters the fabric of the game with the ability to scare the bejesus out of anyone who comes near the rim? Cause see, *that* is what a big man does.

So, if you think Beasley's going to do all that, then please expound on that. If you're right, then every team should pick Beasley without thinking twice. If that's not how you see Beasley however, then you need to re-examine your basic assumptions. I for one have no qualms at all about picking a point guard over an offensive power forward.

[skones]

A franchise big,either at PF or Center is more important than a franchise PG. Thats why teams rarely pick PG's #1. I just don't see it happening.
I can see Lopez or Beasley easily getting picked ahead of Rose.
Heck Chris Paul dropped to 4th, Rose can easily drop to 2 or even 3

Should Paul have dropped to 4th? Obviously not, so what does that say about your logic. I find it rather convenient that each argument I come up with you simply side step it. You don't even give it a legit response which shows the holes you have in yours.

Beasley is a 3/4 tweener who plays no defense and doesn't make others around him better. That's not a franchise big man in my opinion. He'll be a good player, but nothing worth writing home about in terms of leading his team to victory game after game.l

Rose is a point guard with great size who just made DJ Augustin redundant in a game to get into the final four while putting up 20 points 6 rebounds and 9 assists on 7 of 10 shooting. He's also got the best package of size, strength, and athleticism we've seen out of a point guard in how long?

Lopez is a 7 footer with a lot of size and some quite valuable skills on the block, but lets put things into perspective, he shot 47% from the field, as a seven footer, IN COLLEGE.

[Wade2k6]

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Would Duncan or "the Wallace Boys" have won without Parker and Billups. It goes both ways.

Beasley isn't a Duncan. He's not a guy who makes everyone around him better. He's not a guy who's going to anchor a defense.

Need I mention the times that Billups was an MVP candidate a couple years ago, and NOT either of the Wallaces? Need I mention the back to back finals appearances that Kidd led his team to AT THE POINT GUARD POSITION.

Point Guard and Center are the two toughest positions to fill in the entire league.

Oh by the way, Beasley was a great leader this year in the NCAA's. Put that team on his back and got his teams ass kicked in the second round. Good job.

Ok, Beasley isn't a Duncan. But how many players in the history of thegame have been? There's a reason many consider him the greatest PF of all time.

Without Beasley on Kstate they don't come anywhere near even making it to the tourtament. They are a below .500 team. Put Beasley on any top 10 team in the country like he could of done (Love going to UCLA) and he gets all the spotlight for taking the team to the final four/Elite 8 or w/e. Beasley will be a great pro

For the Miami Heat I want Rose. The PG position is more important position, and a more important need for the Heat right now (Haslem, Marion>>>>>>>>Jwill) A Rose-Wade combination would be absouletly incredible.

[skones]

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Ok, Beasley isn't a Duncan. But how many players in the history of thegame have been? There's a reason many consider him the greatest PF of all time.

Without Beasley on Kstate they don't come anywhere near even making it to the tourtament. They are a below .500 team. Put Beasley on any top 10 team in the country like he could of done (Love going to UCLA) and he gets all the spotlight for taking the team to the final four/Elite 8 or w/e. Beasley will be a great pro

For the Miami Heat I want Rose. The PG position is more important position, and a more important need for the Heat right now (Haslem, Marion>>>>>>>>Jwill) A Rose-Wade combination would be absouletly incredible.

Kansas State finished one spot down in the Big 12 last year and actually finished the season with a better record last year at 22-11 than they did this year at 20-11.

My point is, Beasley isn't a defensive big man. How many non defensive big men take their teams to the next level in the NBA? My point being, they just don't. Not only that, but the guy is stuck between the 3 and 4. It wouldn't surprise me if he measured out at 6'7 or 6'8 as opposed to the 6'9 he's listed at. My point was that the poster I was arguing with was constantly bringing up big guys like Duncan who lead their teams to championships, well, Beasley isn't a Duncan so that point he was making, doesn't matter.

[Worm Guts]

Look the reason we think rose will be #1 has as much to do with beasley as rose. nooone really believes that beasely is going to do what it takes to win on the pro level despite his immense talent. Fortunately for him until rose took a major leap noone was in position to give the team with the #1 pick an out from taking rose. To me a question should be is beasley going to be 2 either b/c I think teams might take a pass on him there perhaps for Love.

Nobody is taking love over Beasley unless they come to the draft drunk.

[Wade2k6]

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Kansas State finished one spot down in the Big 12 last year and actually finished the season with a better record last year at 22-11 than they did this year at 20-11.

My point is, Beasley isn't a defensive big man. How many non defensive big men take their teams to the next level in the NBA? My point being, they just don't. Not only that, but the guy is stuck between the 3 and 4. It wouldn't surprise me if he measured out at 6'7 or 6'8 as opposed to the 6'9 he's listed at. My point was that the poster I was arguing with was constantly bringing up big guys like Duncan who lead their teams to championships, well, Beasley isn't a Duncan so that point he was making, doesn't matter.

There is a situation where Beasley won't have to take his team to the next level, in Miami, where they already have an established star in Wade. I guess I'm looking at it from Miamis POV instead of other teams too.

The guy is not stuck between the 3 and 4, though with his ability and versitility it allows him to play both. Is that such a bad thing?

[skones]

I certainly think he's stuck between the 3 and 4, but the point is mute, because either one he's stuck at, he'll be awful defensively.

[The_Pope]

Clearly the best way to evaluate a prospect is based on their last performance.

Seriously, people flip flop around so much based on whatever has happened most recently.

[skones]

Clearly the best way to evaluate a prospect is based on their last performance.

Seriously, people flip flop around so much based on whatever has happened most recently.

I been a Rose guy all season long, quite a few people have actually.

[UGA Hayes]

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Nobody is taking love over Beasley unless they come to the draft drunk.

I think people will be surprised how skittish GM's will be about taking Beasley in next year's draft.

On Love I'm pretty confident he will go much higher than the current 9 projection on draftexpress. People seem to think guys put up his level of production every year. They don't. His predraft hype reminds me so much of Boozer. Everyone wrote him off despite fantastic numbers.

[Worm Guts]

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I think people will be surprised how skittish GM's will be about taking Beasley in next year's draft.

On Love I'm pretty confident he will go much higher than the current 9 projection on draftexpress. People seem to think guys put up his level of production every year. They don't. His predraft hype reminds me so much of Boozer. Everyone wrote him off despite fantastic numbers.

The athleticism gap is too big. I don't see how you can take a below average athlete over a freak athlete when the freak athlete is putting up better numbers.

[DaGoodz]

If Beasley is 6'10, I see no reason he doesn't go #1.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Nik ... ents-2002/
He was 6'9 last year
He's probably more 6'10 now. He can easily play PF in the NBA at that size

[deNIEd]

Whens the last time a PG has went #1, it don't happen

Iverson?

[UGA Hayes]

My problem is that Love plays better defense right now despite his inferior athleticism. Also being a widebody is an asset. Pf has to guard as much against post ups as they do against dribble moves, so its not like being Love's size is all bad.

For example Glen Davis is huge and short but he is fantastic against the Duncan and Raheed types b/c its hard for them to post him up.

[Wade2k6]

I certainly think he's stuck between the 3 and 4, but the point is mute, because either one he's stuck at, he'll be awful defensively.

75% of the players in the league are awful defensively. He can rebound the ball better then anybody in college, and I don't see that changing in the NBA. Obviously rebounding doesn't mean you're good defensively, but having a real strong ability like rebounding certainly doesn't hurt.

[The_Pope]

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I been a Rose guy all season long, quite a few people have actually.

Not that I can tell. At least 90% of people have been Beasley since early on in the season.

[UGA Hayes]

Correction 75 percent is below avg defensively only a small portion is truly horrible and Beasley might fall in that category.