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Mik317 · Post #21 » by **Mik317** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:00 am

Hai Gais look at me I'm on my high horse today..........

get over yourself.

Post #22 » by **tk76** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:14 am

Rose still has to continue to work on his game- but he seems to have the right make-up to improve.

I'd consider waiting until Rose is, say, 20 before you start putting a ceiling on what he can and cannot do. No reason why he can't be as good as Roy in a couple of years. He might give up and inch on him, but he is more explosive.

LongLiveHinkie · Post #23 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:24 am

I don't know if I'd trade Iguodala now. He fits this team so perfectly. He isn't a #1 guy, but that doesn't mean he isn't an integral piece.

SendEm · Post #24 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:29 am

So now He's Brandon Roy? It's like just because a player is to be drafted he CAN'T be compared to someone that is "out of fashion." Everyone in the draft has to be compared to someone who is currently producing well in the NBA. It's a joke to me. So Rose is more of a Brandon Roy than a Franchise? Okay whatever, lol.

panacea · Post #25 » by **panacea** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:55 am

kingofthecourt67 wrote:Rather not trade Iguodala, a young player, for a high draft pick. Iguodala has SHOWN what he can do, while despite some of these guys being seen as safe picks, there is always the chance that they are busts. I certainly hope he is not traded but would like to see us try to move up somehow and maybe look for a Augustine in the 9-13 area.

Agree 100% with everything except the Augustin part.

Post #26 » by **Stanford** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:55 am

SendEm wrote:I'm ALWAYS ahead of the pack when I read a player's game. You all need to read a magazine article or hear an analyst make a comment before you jump on the bandwagon.

Stfu

Dabods>you

Skates · Post #27 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:44 am

As a PG Rose reminds me on offense of Gary Payton, not quite as pure of a PG as some, but definitely an offensive PG with great athleticism. Stevie Francis was nothing more than a poor man's Iverson, even in college. There is no similarity between Rose and Francis.

Cookin Baskets · Post #28 » by **Cookin Baskets** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:55 am

Roletagg wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That is so not a good comparison

Yea, Francis isn't a winner ok, and is not a pass 1st point guard. Since he left Houston is 1st time he has been washed up,exactly man that comparison is not even close.

O,Yes as for Sixers they only have two big goals re-sign Igoudala, and use come of that cap space to get us a power forward otherwise don't waste the precious cap space and wait till next offseason. I really hope the Sixers are patient and don't sign somebody who is a mediocore all-star just to sign a star, that would make me so mad like Orlando when they wasted there precious cap room on Rashard Lewis.

freshie2 · Post #29 » by **freshie2** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:16 am

SendEm wrote:I'm ALWAYS ahead of the pack when I read a player's game. You all need to read a magazine article or hear an analyst make a comment before you jump on the bandwagon.

Are you really this pompous? When have you been 'ahead of the pack'? Is it a pack of quite church mice?

eyeatoma · Post #30 » by **eyeatoma** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:27 am

freshie2 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are you really this pompous? When have you been 'ahead of the pack'? Is it a pack of quite church mice?

LOL...and don't worry I read your previous posts about the grammar...love the lil reference!

SendEm · Post #31 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:05 pm

Derrick Rose 6'3" 195
Steve Francis 6'3" 195

Derrick Rose 14.6ppg 4.7 assists 4.4 rebounds 2.7 turnovers 1.2 steals .481fg% .347 3pt% .698ft%

Steve Francis 17ppg 2.8 steals 3.0 turnovers 4.5 assists 4.5 rebounds .790%ft .380 3pt% .523 fg%

Steve Francis was clearly the more talented player on the court AND statistically. You guys are just more examples of weirdo basketball fans that believe that everyone who comes into the NBA out of the draft will be better than everyone who ever played in the NBA, except a select few. Rose would be fortunate to have the sort of All Star career that Franchise had... Rose is trying his best to be a true PG but his greatest accomplishments revolve around him making a basket or penetrating and dishing. Definitely a Steve Francis type that's TRYING to go a different route but he doesn't have the natural ability to ever be a true PG like Nash, Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Mark Price, Baron Davis, etc.

Until you all get a course on how to judge passing ability from one of the TNT analysts like Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, or even from our own John Salmi you will continue to think that JUST because a young PG shows a willingness to pass it bequeaths to him the potential to be a true elite PG prospect.

The Derrick Rose hype is just the Steve Francis hype all over again 10 years later. 2 players can't really be anymore similar. Sure they both have different attitudes, Steve Francis was like many of the players of his era back before the NBA implemented zone defenses, ME FIRST! The NBA paid those "Franchise" scoring talents from that era well. Derrick Rose is just an example of the Steve Nash era where PG prospects are coveted. Derrick Rose is a scoring PG that's just playing within a team concept masquerading around as a "true PG."

Post #32 » by **tk76** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:25 pm

So if to guys are the same hight and weight one will become the other? I think that's Jarret Jack's size too- I don't see how that means they have the same game.

SendEm · Post #33 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:35 pm

tk76 wrote:So if to guys are the same hight and weight one will become the other? I think that's Jarret Jack's size too- I don't see how that means they have the same game.

Improve your reading comprehension abilities and you "would see." :roll:

Post #34 » by **dbodner** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:47 pm

You just posted his junior season college stats and compared it to a freshman. Nice one. The truth is he average 12.5 ppg at a community college his freshman year.

UptownPhilly · Post #35 » by **UptownPhilly** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:02 pm

dbodner wrote:You just posted his junior season college stats and compared it to a freshman. Nice one. The truth is he average 12.5 ppg at a community college his freshman year.

That's just sad...

SendEm · Post #36 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:33 pm

dbodner wrote:You just posted his junior season college stats and compared it to a freshman. Nice one. The truth is he average 12.5 ppg at a community college his freshman year.

Francis was 22 when he started his 1st NBA season. Rose will be 20... Am I suppose to believe that Rose will develop the sort of passing abilities that Chris Paul, Steve Nash, Baron Davis, Andre Miller, Mark Jackson, John Stockton, Deron Williams, etc. posses within the next 2 years of his life? NO you are BORN with those abilities. Within the next two years he might be able to catch up to the scoring abilities that Steve Francis possessed at age 22. He MIGHT be able to do it, there are no guarantees that he'll be as good a scorer as Stevie...But I am positive that he'll never be the caliber of passer that I named off earlier in this post. That is a talent that you are born with and develop in your youth, not as an adult 20 year old player.

As for Steve's basketball past, he didn't take basketball serious as a high schooler AND he dropped out. He grew a few inches after graduating high school and started dominating streetball in MD and summer leagues and got himself a GREAT reputation. He attended community type junior colleges until he played his way to Maryland, the rest is history. You have to WANT to be a great player especially when you don't have a 6'10 body to fall back on. He wanted to be great later than most.

Post #37 » by **dbodner** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:16 pm

So in otherwords what you're saying is they were in completely different situations in their freshman year, with completely different skillsets, and at completely different points in their development.

Besides trying to compare a 21 year old with 2 extra years of experience with a 19 year, if you can't see Rose's inherent court vision, then I simply think your talent evaluation is not quite as good as you proclaim it to be.

But go on, keep talking.

Post #38 » by **tk76** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:21 pm

Steve Francis was a very good NBA player. His career didn't pan out, but someone else with the same skill set could have been a start on a top team. Rose and Francis have diferent reputatioons on and off the court.

Its like saying that a guy with Larry Bird's size and shooting touch will be a HOF player. Bird had a lot of talent, but it was his make-up that made him an all toime great. With a different make-up Francis could have been a real star- and Rose looks to have the make-up of a team first star.

SendEm · Post #39 » by **SendEm** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:25 pm

dbodner wrote:So in otherwords what you're saying is they were in completely different situations in their freshman year, with completely different skillsets, and at completely different points in their development.

Besides trying to compare a 21 year old with 2 extra years of experience with a 19 year, if you can't see Rose's inherent court vision, then I simply think your talent evaluation is not quite as good as you proclaim it to be.

But go on, keep talking.

Skill set? No.
Work ethic? Yes.
Development? Yes.
Level of Competition? Yes.

Also you forgot to tell the people that Steve Francis averaged 25 ppg during his sophomore season.

Skates · Post #40 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:27 pm

tk76 wrote:Its like saying that a guy with Larry Bird's size and shooting touch will be a HOF player.

Dang, if only Leo Rautins and Kyle Korver had been an inch taller. :lol: