Finals Jazz vs Now Jazz

Post #1 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:52 am

Now is better by a lot. Discuss, don't throw stones.

HouseofBoozer · Post #2 » by **HouseofBoozer** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:09 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:Now is better by a lot. Discuss, don't throw stones.

How so?

I'd say defensively we're a lot worse. Malone was better than Boozer, and Stockton was just different than Williams, a lot more experienced and probably better at that time. However I think our bench is much deeper and better now, other than at the 5 (Antoine Carr vs. Jarron Collins), and I think our starting center is better now. Somehow I think that if they played each other that Stockton and Williams would be a really fun matchup to watch as well as I think Malone would be able to do anything he wanted against Boozer on the offensive side.

Post #3 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:19 am

The only real glaring difference is Horny being better than Brewer and Howard Eisley being better than Prart.

Here is the match ups:

Malone---Boozer
Stockton----Willaims
Hornacek----Brewer
Russell----Kirilenko
Ostertag----Okur

Carr----Millsap
Anderson----Korver
Eisley----Prart
Morris----Harpring
Foster----Collins
Keefe----Miles
Howard----Prart #2

Jazzy13 · Post #4 » by **Jazzy13** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:08 am

Im gonna have to go with the finals team, but not by alot. Malone and his defense would somwhat effect boozers numbers and Booz cant play D so Karl would own.

Hornacek is the deadeye shooter, russell was the all around guy who played good defense.

Ostertag was the guy who clogged the lane and blocked shots. And obviously we had Stockton no explanation needed.

Eisley was arguably the best backup pg in the league at the time. Shandon Anderson was a great bench player who can shoot and post up at his position.

Carr came in and they ran the same plays to him as they did to malone. This was a great team. IMO the current jazz would lose to the finals team more often than not.

de2nd · Post #5 » by **de2nd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:37 am

?? By alot?

You're absolutely insane.

The finals team was a much more dedicated defensive team and a much better road team. The West was just as hard back then, and the East was even more difficult. Stockton and Malone were both MVP candidated but were also good defensive players, and Ostertag was committed more to defense than Okur or Boozer. Hornacek and Russell gave us two perimeter shooters in the starting 5 whereas AK and Brewer aren't known for shooting 3's. Eisley was the best backup in the league at the time and would better run the 2nd unit as a PG than Ronnie Price. Our bench may be a little more talented than that of the finals team, but the effort on the finals team on a consistent basis road/home/offense/defense was far superior than this current team.

Without our incredible homecourt advantage dude, we are a lotto team right now this year.

carrottop12 · Post #6 » by **carrottop12** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:10 pm

Talent wise the new team is probably better.

Then however that team was so cohesive and dedicated to one goal it was very hard to beat them.

I'll take the old team because they were so strong as a group. They had very few huge holes and their defense was very good.

sendai91 · Post #7 » by **sendai91** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 3:43 pm

The core of the Finals team (Malone, Stock, Horny, Russell) had been together for 4 or 5 years, and Malone and Stock had been in the league for 12-13 years during that run. The cohesion and experience developed by that team would likely overwhelm our current group of players, unless Memo went lights-out from the 3 pt line or unless Brewer completely shut Horny down (possible, I suppose). Malone would have scored 40 + pts a game if Boozer were defending him, but AK could have helped. This is actually a pretty fascinating comparison. The old team had experience, cohesion and 2 of the 5 best players in the league over a 10-year span. The new team has verstatility, a better bench and much more athleticism.

Still, in a one-game playoff, I'd say the old team by 4-6, and the old team by 4-3 in a 7 game series.

Racer X · Post #8 » by **Racer X** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:20 pm

With more Playoff experience this team will be right there.
People seem to forget that in the first few years of the Stockton/Malone era they struggled to win on the road too. People need to remember that Deron, Booze and Memo have only played together for really on 2 1/2 season. Give them a few years and we will have a better team than those Finals years.

carrottop12 · Post #9 » by **carrottop12** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:43 pm

^^^

I agree, the fact that the jazz are already beating very good team in the NBA on a regular basis is a good sign, it's beating the Clippers and the T-Wolves on a regular basis to ensure home court advantage that really matters.

de2nd · Post #10 » by **de2nd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:30 pm

Racer X wrote:With more Playoff experience this team will be right there.
People seem to forget that in the first few years of the Stockton/Malone era they struggled to win on the road too. People need to remember that Deron, Booze and Memo have only played together for really on 2 1/2 season. Give them a few years and we will have a better team than those Finals years.

I didn't forget about that. I know Stockton/Malone struggled on the road in their early years as well. But the question was posed as too if this years team is better than the finals team. The answer is no. Talent wise? Maybe. W/L, success, and defensively, no way. In a few years though the potential is there for them to overtake that finals team and even win a championship.

Post #11 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:14 pm

just forget this thread ever existed. LOCK PLEASE!

CAE15 · Post #12 » by **CAE15** » Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:43 pm

Boozer trying to guard Malone? Boozer grizzly tattoo would turn into a cub nursing from his momma. the Finals team would rock the current jazz.

Reckless · Post #13 » by **Reckless** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:40 am

jazz are on their way to being better than the finals jazz they certainly aren't there yet.

i'd say adding a strong defensive center could do it

I don't know though, we still need more experience playing together

idajazz · Post #14 » by **idajazz** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:53 am

the finals team would sweep this team.

They did one thing on such a higher level that it wouldn't even be close.

they Played Great D.

stevebozell · Post #15 » by **stevebozell** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:23 am

They didnt play great D at all...but this teams D is so pathetic it makes them look like the '96 Bulls defense.

troy · Post #16 » by **troy** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:28 pm

Like many of you i think the Finals would win pretty easily.
offensively i think the current team is definitely better especially because of our current bench.
Unfortunately , defense makes the difference at this level. And this year's team defense is simply not good enough just like the previous posters said.

On the other hand the Finals team's defense was very good. Not elite but good enough to win this series. Actually Stockton would have had a lot of trouble against Deron's physicality (remember the series against Payton) but even with that our team defense was very good at the time.
And if the Deron/Boozer pick and roll would still get some points for the current team , imagine what the Stockton to Malone version would do with Boozer and Okur waiting inside. It would be a massacre.