Hinrich?

JJ13 · Post #1 » by **JJ13** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:06 pm

Look's like Hinrich's on the outs in Chi-town after the season...I like the way he plays and wouldn't mind giving up a piece to get a young back-up like like Kirk. Maybe the Atl pick + ???

The guy averages 12pts/6ast, not too far off from what Nash was averaging before coming to the Suns (14/8)

I really don't want barbs to be our back-up pt for future...SG is fine, but not playing the point

Toughts?

JJ13 · Post #2 » by **JJ13** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:11 pm

Oops, didn't know the guy was making $36MM over 4 years...but still, would love to have him

Sun Scorched · Post #3 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:18 pm

He sees the floor well, but sometimes his decision making counteracts that. He has Nash-esque moments, but at that price tag... I don't think so.

To be completely honest, I think DJ would be a better point option for us in the future. I know several of us fans get frustrated when we don't think he is getting the looks he deserves, but after a year with this team, I think he will begin to grow into his own.

He is on the practice court with Nash quite frequently. That I am excited about.

ClosAZ · Post #4 » by **ClosAZ** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:03 pm

what does everybody think about trading him for Diaw straight up? Their contracts are identical. Solves our backup and future PG position.

Chicago will need to do something about their crowded backcourt and they could use another post player. Now that they have Gooden at least he can to a certain extent.

Post #5 » by **TASTIC** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:12 pm

Man if we could turn Diaw into Hinrich...wow...that'd be insane...and then draft a big - Thabeet with the ATL pick...re-sign Giri and Skinner...

chrice · Post #6 » by **chrice** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:32 pm

I agree with some of the assessment that Scorched gave. In his time in Chicago, he never seemed to be a true leader in terms of decision making, creating on the court. He has a good jumpshot, but in big moments it's 50/50. I wonder if it's just the surrounding players or coaching staff that have been holding him back because his potential hasn't been reached yet. That could be a good thing. I think he'd be a great fit here, and maybe working under Nash in a running offense would learn him a few things. But on the other hand, we were saying the same thing about Barbosa a few years back too.

If we could pull a straight up trade, I'd do it in an instant.

impulsenine · Post #7 » by **impulsenine** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:16 pm

Isn't the trade deadline long past?

chrice · Post #8 » by **chrice** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:00 pm

Yes, it will have to be done in the offseason. It's probably better that way anyhow. See what Boris can do off the bench in the playoffs, if it doesn't work out and changes are needed, then you can bring someone in and coach them for the whole summer. A lot better than having a player try to adjust during midseason.

dm17415 · Post #9 » by **dm17415** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:19 pm

TASTIC wrote:Man if we could turn Diaw into Hinrich...wow...that'd be insane...and then draft a big - Thabeet with the ATL pick...re-sign Giri and Skinner...

That would be a great offseason, but the icing on the cake would be if we can sign Artest for the MLE.

impulsenine · Post #10 » by **impulsenine** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:53 pm

dm17415 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
That would be a great offseason, but the icing on the cake would be if we can sign Artest for the MLE.

Would it be possible to Trade Skinner and our KT exception for Hinrich? My understanding of how trade exceptions work is not sharp.

A perfect world:

- Giri signs for vet min
- Boris finds himself in the playoffs, and we keep him
- We draft Gallinari (we need a strong PG worse than we need a big).
- Get rid of Marks and Piat (sad as that makes me).
- Resign Marion for our MLE.
- Get Nikola Pekovic in the second round.
- Trade Tucker for some cap room and a draft pick

dm17415 · Post #11 » by **dm17415** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:01 pm

^^ You can't combine TE and a player so we would have to include our Atl pick which is a no-no. I really doubt Marion would sign for anything less then $10 mil if he even opts out.

impulsenine · Post #12 » by **impulsenine** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:09 pm

dm17415 wrote:^^ You can't combine TE and a player so we would have to include our Atl pick which is a no-no. I really doubt Marion would sign for anything less then $10 mil if he even opts out.

I don't think anybody in the league would offer even that much. Nobody who could use him best (i.e., pair him with a superstar PG) can afford him, and nobody with cap space would want to pay that much for someone who clearly can't hold a team on his shoulders (which has been proven in Miami).

I think an $8m payday is about as good as he is going to get -- plus he gets to stop losing 85% of his games.

-SDU- · Post #13 » by **-SDU-** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:10 pm

i like diaw and want to keep him but a deal of him for hihnrich would be pretty sweet

i would love to find a way to get nocioni too

Sun Scorched · Post #14 » by **Sun Scorched** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:45 pm

You know, I have never been big on Nocioni. To me, he looks like a big, lumbering oaf whenever I can catch a Bulls game on TV. Granted, I haven't been going out of my way to watch many Bulls games recently, so I may be wrong.

Diaw for Heinrich sounds like a pretty good deal to me, and I mean this as objectively as possible.

For Chicago, they need to keep Gordon over Heinrich. Heinrich has been unable to create shots for his teammates on a consistant basis but Gordon can create shots for himself. Adding Diaw gives them something we no longer have a dire need for... a tweener that can confuse opposing defenses and create on the offensive end.

So far this season, Diaw has confused us more often than the opposing team.

For the Suns, Kirk gets to learn from Nash. End of story.

Still, and not to beat a dead horse here, I'd prefer it if DJ was our project gaurd. We could keep him on his 59th pick rookie scale contract for four years. You can hardly beat that salary/production ratio.

Except for Grant Hill. Smooove.

flanpaw42 · Post #15 » by **flanpaw42** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:48 pm

i would trade him dor diaw straight up. there is no way you go from being one of the best pg's to where he is now without there being a reason, i.e. being stuck in the bulls. they have a horrible atmosphere.

most of the time a change of scenery out of a crappy culture will have a positive affect. and remember heinrick has always been on winning teams. right

-SDU- · Post #16 » by **-SDU-** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:17 pm

i dont see DJ as being a PG, i see him as a SG

to sit here and try and make him a PG for the next four years would be as futile as it was with barbosa

NapoleonII · Post #17 » by **NapoleonII** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 11:41 pm

He has all the tools, but doesn't have that killer instinct that Nash has.

impulsenine · Post #18 » by **impulsenine** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:19 am

-SDU- wrote:i dont see DJ as being a PG, i see him as a SG

to sit here and try and make him a PG for the next four years would be as futile as it was with barbosa

Hard to say for sure, but I think you're right. Right now, we have a verrry good future in our PF (Amare, Diaw), and SG (Barbs, DJ), but we need to look at C, F's, and PG. Everybody else is over 30, which isn't as bad as it sounds with our med staff, but we aren't going to ride them into their forties.

Mr. Sun · Post #19 » by **Mr. Sun** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 12:48 am

-SDU- wrote:i dont see DJ as being a PG, i see him as a SG

to sit here and try and make him a PG for the next four years would be as futile as it was with barbosa

Reminds me of the Lakers Goodrich/West. Goodrich was the PG, but West played the PG and Gail the SG.

Did it really matter?

-SDU- · Post #20 » by **-SDU-** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 2:01 am

it does when nash retires and we have 2 SG's starting in the backcourt