Ban Howard Mass: The new draft thread

[Worm Guts]

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Quite a few good players came from the Euros though if I am not mistaken like Ginoboli, Parker, Calderon(getting better), Nash and Nowitzki. Forgive me if I am wrong about a few of these.

There have been alot of good players from Europe, but they haven't necessarily been drafted high. Ginobli was drafted in the 2nd round, Parker was late first, Calderon wasn't drafted at all. Nash isn't European. Nowitski was a successful lottery pick.
The thing that makes me nervous he how poorly NBA scouts have been at projecting where European players belong in the draft. I don't think that European players can't be great.

[Worm Guts]

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Care to elaborate?
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He plays in a smaller conference, didn't dominate, and seemingly has come out of nowhere. It doesn't mean he won't be good or great, just that I don't trust him.

[mwithers]

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There have been alot of good players from Europe, but they haven't necessarily been drafted high. Ginobli was drafted in the 2nd round, Parker was late first, Calderon wasn't drafted at all. Nash isn't European. Nowitski was a successful lottery pick.
The thing that makes me nervous he how poorly NBA scouts have been at projecting where European players belong in the draft. I don't think that European players can't be great.

Sorry, I knew that Nash came was foreign but I wasn't sure where he came from.

I agree but I think after the first two picks and arguably even the first two picks are questionable on how good they will be. I think that after the Rose and Beasley though, Gallinari seems to have the best combination of potential and proven skills.

[Krapinsky]

Nash was BORN in canada. He played college ball at Santa Clara University for four years. I don't think that makes him foreign at all.

[mwithers]

Nash was BORN in canada. He played college ball at Santa Clara University for four years. I don't think that makes him foreign at all.

Either way, I was wrong and I apologize.

[jpatrick]

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He plays in a smaller conference, didn't dominate, and seemingly has come out of nowhere. It doesn't mean he won't be good or great, just that I don't trust him.

Does McGee's first two years in school remind others of Patrick O'Bryant? Under recruited 7 footer, goes to mid major, doesn't do much as a freshman and then puts up good (not dominant) numbers as a sophomore. Both run well for their size, block some shots but are considered "thin." I've only seen a video of McGee's highlights, but he looks athletic. Without seeing him for an entire game it's hard to have an opinion on him though.

On a side note, are people hoping the first round prospects stay in school or come out? The more that come out this year, the better our two picks at the top of the second round become, but the more that stay in school the better our first round picks next year (we could have 3) will be.

[horaceworthy]

Nash was BORN in canada. He played college ball at Santa Clara University for four years. I don't think that makes him foreign at all.

If we're going to pick nits, he was born in South Africa. He was grew up in Canada, then went to college at Santa Clara.

[dunkonu21]

Freddy Mayor said he saw a great NIT game with Arizona St. Maybe Jeff Pendergraph for 2nd round material?...I'd like to see him in a wolves jersey

[Krapinsky]

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If we're going to pick nits, he was born in South Africa. He was grew up in Canada, then went to college at Santa Clara.

touche'

[revprodeji]

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NBA scouts have had a terrible time accurately assessing European talent. Drafting Gallinari would make me very nervous.That was my point. Between Milicic, Bargnani, and Tskitisvilli not too many recently highly drafted Euros have done well in the NBA.

The biggest difference is that Milicic and Tskitisvilli were drafted on potential. They hardly played at all in europe. Gallinari is one of the better players in europe and he is just 19. If we get get a defensive center to put next to Al and then have Gallinari as a point fwd/small fwd that is a sexy front court. Brewer bounces between the 2 and 3, we throw Foye in there, Shad off the pine and either resign bassy or get a vet.

[deeney0]

Not enough scoring there, not unless Shad or Foye improves substantially in that regard.

[mwithers]

Not enough scoring there, not unless Shad or Foye improves substantially in that regard.

Gallinari is a scorer.

[horaceworthy]

It'll be interesting to see what happens at Marquette now that Crean's left for Indiana. They aren't exactly the types of players we need, but Dominic James and Jerel McNeal may declare now. They're both NBA caliber athletes, and fun to watch.

James has a habit of starting quick and tailing off, and he's very much a rhythm player at this stage of his career. Still he's insanely athletic (one of the few 5'10" guys that you'll see a team successfully throw lobs to), plays solid defense, and can cause some havoc with his ability to get to the rim.

McNeal's likely the better prospect by now (not the case after their freshman years). Excellent defensive player that's made great strides in his offensive game. He's stuck in between the 1 and the 2 sizewise, and has more 2 to his game than 1. Not the type of player we need, but an interesting one nonetheless. He and Brewer would give some teams headaches with their perimeter D.

[deeney0]

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Gallinari is a scorer.

He's not advertised as such. He's billed as more of a do-everything-well-but-nothing-spectacular guy.

[revprodeji]

In the same way Lebron does everything well. Gallinari is considered an elite playmaker and scorer.

[B Calrissian]

In the same way Lebron does everything well. Gallinari is considered an elite playmaker and scorer.

I would rather have the Wolves pick him over Lopez. It would be easier to sign a guy that can block shots (not that Lopez is limited to only that) through free agency than a guy that can do everything. Plus a big could be drafted in the 2nd round, or trade both 2nds to move up and take a big man that is falling into the 20s (maybe Hibbert or Robin Lopez).

[deeney0]

Yeah, Gallinari is to LeBron as Randolph is to KG.

Oh, I guess I probably need to use a different analogy with you, don't I?

[the_bruce]

Im unimpressed with anyone who isn't a superb athlete

To me Gallinari is meh.

[AQuintus]

Yeah, Gallinari is to LeBron as Randolph is to KG.

Oh, I guess I probably need to use a different analogy with you, don't I?

I would say that Gallinari is to Lebron as Love is to KG is probably closer.

Gallinari and Love are both much slower and less athletic than the players they are compared to.

(Though 'Bron is stronger than Gallinari will ever be, and I'm not entirely sure how Love compares to KG in that area. Probably favorably.)

[revprodeji]

Yeah, Gallinari is to LeBron as Randolph is to KG.

Oh, I guess I probably need to use a different analogy with you, don't I?

Do you have some kind of personal problem with me lately?

Gallinari is a multi-skilled SF prospect that can score in various ways and is a playmaker for his team (hence the lebron reference that DX uses)

Randolph is a 19 uber athletic skinny 3/4 that already has a decent BBIQ, desire to improve, shot blocking, rebounding, ball handling and a mid range jumper. Many have projected him as a Bosh type. Being we are more familiar to KG it is not uncommon for people to project the skills they see to the skills they know.

Prospects are seen with hopeful eyes. We see Beasley as Amare, Rose as the next paul/Dwill. Lopez is the robin to Al's batman. Everyone does this. Saying "he is the next...." gives us a look into their style of play, but also the potential a sub 500 team longs for.