The latest on Stromile...??

[rag-time4]

Checking his game log, I see that Stromile hasn't played at all since March 21... seems the monster dunk and 4/5 shooting vs Chicago was just enough to guarantee him a spot in the doghouse...

Has anyone heard anything in the press?

[Serpo]

Hopefully he's already unhappy enough to not pick up his option , he's nothing we need .

Doesn't really matter if he plays or not he's not a difference maker , never really has been.

I'd rather play the younger guys.

[stro4swift]

In an interview done Wednesday, Lawrence Frank told WFAN that the Nets

[Universe]

I don't think any of the Nets staff hates Stromile, it's just they do not want him to pick up his option.

[vincecarter4pres]

Hopefully he's already unhappy enough to not pick up his option , he's nothing we need .

Doesn't really matter if he plays or not he's not a difference maker , never really has been.

I'd rather play the younger guys.

Actually we desperately need Strome.

He will be an expiring contract to the tune of 6.2 mill.

He is the only realistic way to realistically trade for anyone without trading RJ, VC or Devin.

[vincecarter4pres]

Also, he has been in the league for a long time.
What you see is what you get.
He is not going to have some miraculous improvement and suddenly become KMart. He is not going to improve.
He has a terrible attitude problem, and just isn't that skilled. He is simply a great athlete with good size, and decent skills.

And everyone keeps talking about this great game he had vs. Chicago. Were we watching the same game?!
He had herendous body language. This guy didn't give 2 ishes about the team or who won. He was going for delf and highlight reels.
Lacksidazical defense. Turnovers. Poor decision making. Bad attitude.
Selfish.
There is a reason this guy has bounced from team to team, and is a former #1 pick with freakish athletic skills that struggles to get the MLE.

[MrDollarBills]

Well, when you have an idiot coach who thinks that pink cotton candy disguised as a small forward would be far better suited playing the 4 spot and being absolutely useless in small ball line ups that don't ever, ever work instead of using an athletic PF off of the bench, guys tend to rack up DNPs.

[rag-time4]

Also, he has been in the league for a long time.
What you see is what you get.
He is not going to have some miraculous improvement and suddenly become KMart. He is not going to improve.
He has a terrible attitude problem, and just isn't that skilled. He is simply a great athlete with good size, and decent skills.

And everyone keeps talking about this great game he had vs. Chicago. Were we watching the same game?!
He had herendous body language. This guy didn't give 2 ishes about the team or who won. He was going for delf and highlight reels.
Lacksidazical defense. Turnovers. Poor decision making. Bad attitude.
Selfish.
There is a reason this guy has bounced from team to team, and is a former #1 pick with freakish athletic skills that struggles to get the MLE.

It was Nachbar who had the poor body language in the Chicago game, yet he got 26 minutes while Stromile got 15....

And what qualifies you to judge body language? Can you spell out your criteria for good and bad body language?

I thought his body language looked pretty good, which is how he was able to shoot 4/5 in the game, including two highlight reel swishes on jumpshots!

Well, when you have an idiot coach who thinks that pink cotton candy disguised as a small forward would be far better suited playing the 4 spot and being absolutely useless in small ball line ups that don't ever, ever work instead of using an athletic PF off of the bench, guys tend to rack up DNPs.

Stromile can be dominant in small ball situations on the rare opportunities that he gets. When he has a size advantage in the post he is devastating.

His matchup was Jeff Green in this game...

[kamaze]

Also, he has been in the league for a long time.
What you see is what you get.
He is not going to have some miraculous improvement and suddenly become KMart. He is not going to improve.
He has a terrible attitude problem, and just isn't that skilled. He is simply a great athlete with good size, and decent skills.

And everyone keeps talking about this great game he had vs. Chicago. Were we watching the same game?!
He had herendous body language. This guy didn't give 2 ishes about the team or who won. He was going for delf and highlight reels.
Lacksidazical defense. Turnovers. Poor decision making. Bad attitude.
Selfish.
There is a reason this guy has bounced from team to team, and is a former #1 pick with freakish athletic skills that struggles to get the MLE.

I agree with this. Only thing I'll add is the coach could choose to give him some PT he can help the team. Frank has little man's complex.

[stro4swift]

Bad attitude.Selfish.

Really? Just because he had an arguement with his coach about PT before coming in NJ, doesn't mean he has a bad attitude and that he's selfish. I would feel the same way if I was a 28 year old player on one of the worst teams in the league, getting 10 minutes per game. Even though he outworked Darko in preseason, they went with Darko because they signed him during the summer.

Matter of fact, he won an award earlier this year for his hard work in preseason.

An unscientific poll conducted Tuesday revealed that teammates were not only overwhelmingly thrilled with Swift's work ethic and mental health over the past month, but the final tally was enough to grant Swift the third annual Don Poier "Pride of Training Camp" Award

Swift earned an honor not sanctioned by the team but intended to recognize consistency and growth on the cusp of a new season.

"It's good to see," said swingman Mike Miller, who quickly blurted out Swift's name when asked for a deserving nominee. "He's a good kid. He put a lot of work in. He's got the ability to be special. If he gives us that this year, we're going to be really good."

That being said, I can understand people who want Sean Williams on the floor instead of Swift since he's younger and has a lot of potential. But playing Boki at the 4 is just wrong to me and I can't get how anyone can defend that...

[SD2042]

I said this once. Apparently I will have to say it again. If Stromile Swift has a history of attitude problems then so does Richard Jefferson.

[Da big3]

let me simplify.....
stromile swift=garbage time

[rag-time4]

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Really? Just because he had an arguement with his coach about PT before coming in NJ, doesn't mean he has a bad attitude and that he's selfish. I would feel the same way if I was a 28 year old player on one of the worst teams in the league, getting 10 minutes per game. Even though he outworked Darko in preseason, they went with Darko because they signed him during the summer.

Matter of fact, he won an award earlier this year for his hard work in preseason.

An unscientific poll conducted Tuesday revealed that teammates were not only overwhelmingly thrilled with Swift's work ethic and mental health over the past month, but the final tally was enough to grant Swift the third annual Don Poier "Pride of Training Camp" Award

Swift earned an honor not sanctioned by the team but intended to recognize consistency and growth on the cusp of a new season.

"It's good to see," said swingman Mike Miller, who quickly blurted out Swift's name when asked for a deserving nominee. "He's a good kid. He put a lot of work in. He's got the ability to be special. If he gives us that this year, we're going to be really good."

That being said, I can understand people who want Sean Williams on the floor instead of Swift since he's younger and has a lot of potential. But playing Boki at the 4 is just wrong to me and I can't get how anyone can defend that...

Wow Stro4, great post. I forgot all about that. I kinda felt like it was totally meaningless once the season started and it became apparent that Iavaroni's public support of Stromile was just a case of blowing smoke....

One question though... are you sure that Stromile's argument with Coach Iavaroni was related to playing time? In that Dallas game when the argument took place on the bench, they seemed to be discussing the play that just occured, and Stromile seemed to me to be presenting his case on why what he did was correct... but that's of course only my interpretation seeing it take place on tv...

SD2042, nice to see you!!!

[stro4swift]

One question though... are you sure that Stromile's argument with Coach Iavaroni was related to playing time?

Well after reading the article about Swift asking for PT or a trade I'm pretty sure it had something to do with it.

"I was frustrated with my playing time," Swift said. "At the same time, I feel like I was provoked. Whatever I said, I said it and I paid the consequences. For me, it's over with. That's not really my personality. I kind of lost it a little bit."

I'm not sure you read the article but it was on the RealGM Wiretap shortly after the trade.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... trade-him/

[rag-time4]

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Well after reading the article about Swift asking for PT or a trade I'm pretty sure it had something to do with it.

"I was frustrated with my playing time," Swift said. "At the same time, I feel like I was provoked. Whatever I said, I said it and I paid the consequences. For me, it's over with. That's not really my personality. I kind of lost it a little bit."

I'm not sure you read the article but it was on the RealGM Wiretap shortly after the trade.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/20 ... trade-him/

Stro4, the article describes the disagreement in the Dallas game in this way: Iavaroni and Swift had a verbal disagreement during the Grizzlies' Jan. 28 loss to Dallas. Iavaroni reportedly expressed his displeasure with Swift's body language and readiness to play. Swift then responded in a manner Iavaroni deemed "conduct detrimental to the team."

I don't think it's likely they were arguing about playing time during the game as much as they were discussing the particular play. If Iavaroni complained to Stromile about his body language and readiness, I bet that Stromile presented his point of view and got upset about it... though on tv the conversation didn't even appear to be all that animated.

[FGump]

Of Williams, Frank said

[Serpo]

Well right now he is an undersized 4 but not because of his length he makes up with is athelecism but his body an body strength.

[MrDollarBills]

Sean Williams is a PF who has the height and wingspan that needs to add strength, along with several other things to his game. I don't see him as an undersized 4, nor do I get where Frank brings up the 3 position when talking about this kid.

He thinks Crapbar is a PF, and he thinks this kid is too small to be a 4 when he is damn near 7 foot and when turned loose blocks and alters shots at a respectable clip when he isnt getting himself into foul trouble. This man must have caught Rod Thorn's hand in the cookie jar, thats the only way i can fathom how he a)got a 9 mil extension when he's god awful b)still has a job

[rag-time4]

Sean Williams is a PF who has the height and wingspan that needs to add strength, along with several other things to his game. I don't see him as an undersized 4, nor do I get where Frank brings up the 3 position when talking about this kid.

He thinks Crapbar is a PF, and he thinks this kid is too small to be a 4 when he is damn near 7 foot and when turned loose blocks and alters shots at a respectable clip when he isnt getting himself into foul trouble. This man must have caught Rod Thorn's hand in the cookie jar, thats the only way i can fathom how he a)got a 9 mil extension when he's god awful b)still has a job

How can Williams be too small at PF while Nachbar is getting so many minutes at that position? That makes no sense whatsoever. Coach Frank is trading in shot blocking and defensive presence of Swift and Williams for for the inconsistent offense and consistently poor defense of Nachbar.

Speaking of which, I caught the last three minutes of the loss vs Philly the other day, and in the last 3 minutes, I saw Nachbar fire up an contested off balance three pointer relatively early in the shot clock, and I saw Josh Boone give up two layups to guards...

Talk about bad body language!!

I would rather not play Krstic, Nachbar, and Boone at all and just rotate among the three guys who aren't even playing: Swift, Williams, and Diop, because the Nets would get consistent defensive presence from all three. When they pick up fouls due to their aggressive and energetic defensive play, then let the scrubs get in.

The Nets are starting with the scrubs since their good players pick up too many fouls...

My depth chart:
C: Diop/Swift/Boone
PF: Swift/Williams/Krstic
SF:Jefferson/Hassell/Nachbar
SG:Carter/Hassell
PG:Harris/Williams

[aussienet]

Alot of stuff I've and heard about SWILL is that he is closer to 6-8 than the listed 6-10. I agree he does need to get stronge, bigger and most of all smarter!
In regards to Stro I have always thought he was a player who if he was given a chance in the right system he could prosper. HOWEVER a former lottery like Darko has been given plenty of time to develop. It just seems to me that Stro was not drafted to be given time to develop but produce straight away for what ever reason he hasn't done so to date. Now he has been pigeon holed into a role player with personality issues.
He is 28? now should be the time that Frank gives him more responsibility too see where stro's head is at. Plus Frank could drive up his trade value.
But we all know that Frank is coaching for his job and not for this ballclub.