A $105,272,371 roster not making the playoffs?

Duiz · Post #1 » by **Duiz** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:12 pm

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

So if Dallas gets out of the post season, does this prove that the GM of the team should be fired for the most terrible investments. Also, is this the team that had the highest salary all-time not to make the playoffs?

I mean, this team shouldn't be aching about anything. They spend double the money that Utah and Orlando do.

J-Mezzy · Post #2 » by **J-Mezzy** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:14 pm

I wouldn't be surprised to see Knicks salary to be up there as well

cwas2882 · Post #3 » by **cwas2882** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:16 pm

Knicks at 88 mil are number 2. Miami and Portland are both in the top ten in salary and neither will make it. Utah and Orlando are in the bottom 5 of salary and both will probably have home court advantage.

Duiz · Post #4 » by **Duiz** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:18 pm

wow.. I mean... Knicks are wasting their time and team on a series of grossly overpaid tankers.

chrbal · Post #5 » by **chrbal** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:19 pm

Its not a $105 million roster. Finley, Bradley, DJ Mbenga and others aren't on the roster.

The Knicks had higher payrolls http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/index.html and couldn't even sniff the playoffs in the east.

The Knicks are a mess, thats a given.

Gibbs · Post #6 » by **Gibbs** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:21 pm

I'm pretty sure Larry Brown's Knicks take the cake on this one.

greenbeans · Post #7 » by **greenbeans** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:45 pm

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Duiz wrote:wow.. I mean... Knicks are wasting their time and team on a series of grossly overpaid tankers.

Bucky O'Hare · Post #8 » by **Bucky O'Hare** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:50 pm

The Mavs are the Knicks of the west. :lol:

Duiz · Post #9 » by **Duiz** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 8:51 pm

chrbal wrote:Its not a $105 million roster. Finley, Bradley, DJ Mbenga and others aren't on the roster.

The Knicks had higher payrolls http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/index.html and couldn't even sniff the playoffs in the east.

The Knicks are a mess, thats a given.

I think they still owe Bradley and Findley, and also Mbenga but you would have to correct me on that.

Also, which year was the Knick's team that had the highest salary and didn't make the playoffs?

bulletproof_32 · Post #10 » by **bulletproof_32** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 9:03 pm

Duiz wrote:Also, which year was the Knick's team that had the highest salary and didn't make the playoffs?

Last year they were at $117M.

farzi · Post #11 » by **farzi** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 9:09 pm

cwas2882 wrote:Knicks at 88 mil are number 2. Miami and Portland are both in the top ten in salary and neither will make it. Utah and Orlando are in the bottom 5 of salary and both will probably have home court advantage.

Well, to be fair, a large chunk of PDX's salary is taken up by players who don't even play. Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles.

The reason the first two are on the salary is because they both expire the same time, and K.P. planned ahead. Miles hasn't played in 2 years, and was signed to a terrible contract by our former GM.

Post #12 » by **CBS7** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 9:29 pm

Knicks were really high in the past two years. Higher then 105 million.

shrink · Post #13 » by **shrink** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 10:08 pm

I think this makes an interesting comparison between MLB and NBA, and the effects of the luxury tax, minimal exemptions and CBA salary matching with trades.

Arguably, it should be easier to put a good team together in the NBA by going 25% over the lux than in baseball. You have only five players on the court at one time, and they have an impact on both ends of the court every minute they play. An NBA roster is only half the size of MLB's, allowing for greater concentration of talent. Greater talent differences are on display as well between, say the #1 and #10 player in the NBA rather than MLB.

However, the greater impact an individual player can have, the greater negative influence he will have if he misses games with an injury. The Yankees without A-Rod are still better than all but a handful of teams. Can the same be said about the Mavs without Dirk? Yes, it should be possible to buy a good shot at a ring in the NBA, but I don't blame teams that fail who lose players due to injuries.

Another factor is the amoutn of overpaying. With no useful luxury penalty, the Knick or Mavs, who are paying about 50% more than the NBA median salary. In 2008, the median payroll for MLB is $80 mil, and Steinbrenner is paying $209 mil .. over 250% more. I expect the Yankees to be playing for a ring every year, and if the Knicks payroll was $180 mil.

Overall, I think the lux, and salary matching, do a good job getting parity without angering the players association too badly. Without some restrictions, someone throwing in the money of Steinbrenner could probably make an unbeatable team. As it stands now, the system allows owners to overpay, but they still have to make good choices with their money.

Fido · Post #14 » by **Fido** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 10:14 pm

Those guys don't play on the team anymore and were bought out so the team doesn't have to fork out all that money. But their salary continues to count on the salary cap due to the rules that say the full money on the contract they sign continues to count against the cap even if they are bought out or retire.

Silk Wilkes · Post #15 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 10:22 pm

Dallas could have a Big 4 and still have 20 Million for the rest of the roster!!! Wow, that GM is garbage if I've ever seen it.

YiYaoYue · Post #16 » by **YiYaoYue** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 10:28 pm

what is the benefit of having a low cap other then signing free agents? isn't finley part of dallas' cap but spurs are actually the ones forking out the money?

High 5 · Post #17 » by **High 5** » Wed Apr 2, 2008 10:47 pm

As bad as the Kidd trade was, the Mavs would still make the playoffs if Dirk didn't go down.

667Club · Post #18 » by **667Club** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 12:08 am

If they miss it, it will only be because of an unfortunate injury and the greatness of the west.

Duiz · Post #19 » by **Duiz** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:31 am

Still though.. look at the Spurs, they get under salary cap rosters, and they win championships. I think Dallas, New York, and other teams are just building up the wrong way.

Bgil · Post #20 » by **Bgil** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:49 am

farzi wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Well, to be fair, a large chunk of PDX's salary is taken up by players who don't even play. Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles.

The reason the first two are on the salary is because they both expire the same time, and K.P. planned ahead. Miles hasn't played in 2 years, and was signed to a terrible contract by our former GM.

How did Portland get Steve Francis' salary? I must have missed that one. How is Francis playing (sitting) for Houston and getting paid by Portland?