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Post#1 » by corona » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:20 am

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Melo needs to play smart, let it come to you, controlled basketball against a superb defender.

Last Meeting: December 23rd, 2007
106-105 Denver victory
Linas Kleiza hit a turnaround 20 footer to win the game at the buzzer.
Denver outrebounded Sacramento by 7, but had more turnovers than assists.

Denver: 46-29
Rank 11th in offense and 8th in defense
This will be Nene's 4th game back after playing surprisingly well against Phoenix on back to back nights.
Jr Smith averaged 16/2/3 in March, in under 22 minutes per game.

Keys to winning:
Maintaining a consistent sense of urgency to get into the playoffs and win the division.
Making the extra pass on a consistent basis.
Staying home on shooters
Treating the game like a playoff game in every way, regardless of the opponent.

Last 5 Games:
W Phoenix
L Phoenix
W Golden State
W Dallas
W Memphis

Sacramento: 34-40
Rank 14th in offense and 26th in defense.
Beno Udrih is questionable/doubtful with a lower back strain.

Last 5 Games:
? Clippers
W Houston
W Seattle
L Washington
W Memphis

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Playoff Picture: (as of thursday morning)
8th seed (current matchup with New Orleans)
1 full game up on 9th place Golden State
1 full game back of 7th place Dallas
3.5 games back of Utah
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Post#2 » by JRMelo15 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:22 am

Martin needs to be shut down. He turns it up and gets his 25 points, Artest will make Melo take a few tough shots, but Melo will need to play smart and not get 8 TO's like he did vs PHX. 3 days' rest should help the Nuggets, especially since its not a road game. Go Nuggets!
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Post#3 » by pickaxe » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:41 am

Another test for the Nuggets.

Ron the test.

Which K-Mart has the better merch?
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Post#4 » by big123 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:03 am

AI should have a field day.
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Post#5 » by JEWELZ » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:06 am

goes without saying we must win this game
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Post#6 » by JEWELZ » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:07 am

hopefully melo plays smart and doesnt try to do too much against artest
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Post#7 » by MELO4MVP » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:30 am

I'm banking on A.I. and JR to win this game for us. Carmelo gets absolutely handled by Artest (I believe he played better against them this year).
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Post#8 » by MELO4MVP » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:32 am

Wow. 6 is the luck number. A combination of 6 gets us the win. So 6 wins and we're in. 3 wins, but 3 losses by the Warriors gets us in.
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Post#9 » by Neel » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:49 pm

What is AI doing to Melo's hand in that picture? Melo wants a dap and AI is stroking his knuckles or something. Is this some new handshake?

On topic: Artest is definitely the offensive wildcard here. He always plays fantastic defense so Melo will have his hands full, but Artest is also a pretty good offensive player, so Melo will have to work equally hard on the other side of the ball. Ron-ron can hit open threes and make strong moves to the basket if Melo isn't ready for him.
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Post#10 » by MELO4MVP » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:40 pm

I FINALLY FOUND WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR

As of March 31/08

http://82games.com/QTR1S11.HTM

Carmelo points per quarter and ranks among players and assist

1st quarter
Carmelo = 7.9 ppg (2nd behind Lebron) on 6.1 fga 51% 1.2 apg

2nd quarter
Carmelo = 5.9 ppg (1st in the NBA) on 4.4 fga 48% 0.7 apg

As you can see A.I. is playing to Carmelo and letting him be the first option. That's 10.5 fga, 13.8 ppg, and 1.9 apg for Carmelo in the first half and thats understandable because he plays no more than 18 minutes in the first half (goes out at end of 1 and come back by 6 minute mark)

3rd quarter
Carmelo = 7.7 ppg (1st in NBA) on 5.6 fga 50% 1 apg

Now he has 16.1 shots and 21.5 ppg and 2.9 apg

4th quarter
Carmelo = Once I got passed 20, I just stopped

Just wanted to prove that he doesn't see the ball in 4th despite having the hot hand, and that idea of the d changing their d tremendously to focus on Carmelo is bs seeing thats obviously has the least ppg and apg in the 4th quarter.
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Post#11 » by MELO4MVP » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:48 pm

I'm not starting anything or blaming A.I because AC has a huge part in this as well. Just wanted to show how he usually have the hot hand and don't see the ball in the 4th quarter. He's first or 2nd in the first 3 quarters, why the tremendous drop off in the 4th quarter? Meanwhile, Lebron points went up to 9.5 ppg in the 4th quarter. I don't care about Carmelo averages or anything, but if he`s in the top 2 in scoring the first 3 quarters, shouldn't he be around the same in the 4th? He plays at least 10 minutes in the 4th.
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Post#12 » by The Answer_CO » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:31 pm

Hopefully this is a victory.
Nuggets need to come out with energy and desire to win and get some type of a lead so our starts can rest in the 4th and be ready for Seattle game.
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Post#13 » by IversonMVP » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:41 pm

MELO4MVP wrote:I FINALLY FOUND WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR

As of March 31/08

http://82games.com/QTR1S11.HTM

Carmelo points per quarter and ranks among players and assist

1st quarter
Carmelo = 7.9 ppg (2nd behind Lebron) on 6.1 fga 51% 1.2 apg

2nd quarter
Carmelo = 5.9 ppg (1st in the NBA) on 4.4 fga 48% 0.7 apg

As you can see A.I. is playing to Carmelo and letting him be the first option. That's 10.5 fga, 13.8 ppg, and 1.9 apg for Carmelo in the first half and thats understandable because he plays no more than 18 minutes in the first half (goes out at end of 1 and come back by 6 minute mark)

3rd quarter
Carmelo = 7.7 ppg (1st in NBA) on 5.6 fga 50% 1 apg

Now he has 16.1 shots and 21.5 ppg and 2.9 apg

4th quarter
Carmelo = Once I got passed 20, I just stopped

Just wanted to prove that he doesn't see the ball in 4th despite having the hot hand, and that idea of the d changing their d tremendously to focus on Carmelo is bs seeing thats obviously has the least ppg and apg in the 4th quarter.


Are you refering to 3.8 FGA, 1.8 FTA on a 40.5% shooting % with 3.8 points "doesn't see the ball in 4th despite having the hot hand"? :noway:
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Post#14 » by Don_eMOCION#31 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:47 pm

sry MELO4MVP, it's nothing personal and don't take it too serious but i think you're a very strange and freaky Melo-lover! i've never seen a person who focusses on ONE player as much as you do. really. i said it before and i still believe you would take losses in which melo shines over nuggets winning some games (like they actually do)!

i think the stuff you mention is totally bull. i have so many memories of melo's mistakes and turnovers late in games that i would say 'okay don't give him the ball in crunch because he seems to be a crunchtime-turnoverprone!'

:noway: BTW ... GO NUGGETS !!!
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Post#15 » by noone » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:10 pm

Melo4MVP,

Unfortunately,you can't just look at ppg and fga and try to determine what the player is doing in the quarter and how effective/efficient he is.

A much better indication of efficiency on the offensive end is pps (points per shot) as opposed to fg%.

Melo's pps go from 1.295 in the first quarter to 1.341, 1.375, and 1.297 in the following quarters. Based on the stats you posted, you may think Melo's best quarter is the first quarter, but in fact his most efficient quarter is the third quarter. As you can also see, his efficiency in the 4th quarter is much worse than it is in the third, and also considering assists (1.2 in the first, .6 in the fourth), I would say efficiency wise, the 4th is his worst quarter.

There's two things I can think of taking from that: 1) the opposing coach makes adjustments, to one, get the ball out of his hands, and two, to make him take tougher shots. Or 2) Melo isn't clutch and chokes when the game is on the line.

I think we can all agree to which one it is.

I also went and looked at his other 4th quarter stats since you didn't, and he averages 3.7 fga and .9 TO.

Iverson on the other hand, has his best quarter in the 4th. His pps is at 1.405 in the fourth, up from 1.368, 1.395, 1.375 in the first 3 quarters. He also averages only .6 TO in the fourth, down from .9, .8, .9 in the first 3. His assists remain the same throughout all four at 1.8. and he averages 4.2 fga in the fourth.

Again, either all that is the result of the extra attention Melo gets, or the fact that Iverson is just really really clutch. I'm sure everyone can agree it has more to do with the former than anything else.

First of all, Iverson only averages 4.2 more fga than Melo in the 4th, despite playing more minutes (9.6 to Melo's 7.9). Secondly, based on the stats, on average you would/should want the ball in Iverson's hands in the fourth quarter as he's more efficient and makes more happen with the ball (assists).

If you want to disagree with how things went down on a game by game basis in the fourth, that's fine (eg. last GS game); however, if you want to complain in Melo's favor based on the entire season, the stats don't support you.

Another thing I just looked up and should be factored, in all 4 quarters at least 55% of Melo's shots are assisted (someone else gets the assist). Iverson on the other hand has no quarter higher than 35% assisted. His two lowest are 23% and 25% in the second and fourth quarters. This isn't an "all-telling" stat, but it's obvious Melo needs to be set up more than Iverson, yet you'd prefer that Melo be isolated late in the game as opposed to Iverson.

This also takes me to my next point, that ball-handling is also a major factor what happens late in the game. Just like against Melo, teams do (or try to) adjust to Lebron late in games. The reason Lebron's production is still up is because his ballhandling is far superior to Melo's. You can give Lebron the ball at the other team's basket, let alone 15-20 feet out, and he'll be just as effective, but you can't do the same for Melo. Melo is most effective when he get's the ball 15-20 feet from the basket. Therefore, it's much harder to defend Lebron in the 4th than it is Melo.
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Post#16 » by aicrossover7 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:13 pm

K-Mart is out for this game due to suspension
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Post#17 » by piglet » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:14 pm

MELO4MVP wrote:I FINALLY FOUND WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR

As of March 31/08

http://82games.com/QTR1S11.HTM

Carmelo points per quarter and ranks among players and assist

1st quarter
Carmelo = 7.9 ppg (2nd behind Lebron) on 6.1 fga 51% 1.2 apg

2nd quarter
Carmelo = 5.9 ppg (1st in the NBA) on 4.4 fga 48% 0.7 apg

As you can see A.I. is playing to Carmelo and letting him be the first option. That's 10.5 fga, 13.8 ppg, and 1.9 apg for Carmelo in the first half and thats understandable because he plays no more than 18 minutes in the first half (goes out at end of 1 and come back by 6 minute mark)

3rd quarter
Carmelo = 7.7 ppg (1st in NBA) on 5.6 fga 50% 1 apg

Now he has 16.1 shots and 21.5 ppg and 2.9 apg

4th quarter
Carmelo = Once I got passed 20, I just stopped

Just wanted to prove that he doesn't see the ball in 4th despite having the hot hand, and that idea of the d changing their d tremendously to focus on Carmelo is bs seeing thats obviously has the least ppg and apg in the 4th quarter.



Why is this part of the game thread? Does this not violate the "new" board rules? I dont come here as much because I am so sick of reading melo man-love posts! Please cut this crap out.....
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Post#18 » by noone » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:17 pm

aicrossover7 wrote:K-Mart is out for this game due to suspension


They may need Kmart, but if it means more minutes for Nene, I think everyone can live with it.
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Post#19 » by The Answer_CO » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:30 pm

NEW YORK, April 3, 2008
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Post#20 » by MelosMileHigh » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:34 pm

Nene isnt ready to play big minutes. Eddie will, and should start.

this sucks. Timing is terrible.
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