Your thoughts about Luther Head...?

McGrady2Head · Post #1 » by **McGrady2Head** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:30 am

I don't know what it is about adelman and jvg, but they just cant help but play guys like luther head and david wesley (midgets). We got beat in the playoffs by dallas because stackhouse torched wesley. we got beat in the playoffs last year because head got torched by giricek. today, luther made michael finley look like michael jordan. wesley was a liability, and so is luther.

in my opinion, i believe we should look into moving luther head this offseason. we dont need another pg, with rafer starting, b. jax backing him up, and our future pg brooks is waiting on his turn. our big men look GREAT with yao, landry, hayes, scola, mutombo. the three headed monster of yao, landry, and scola next year will be fun to watch. t-mac and battier have the 2-3 spots locked down, but there really isnt any back up now that bonzi is gone. i think we need to seriously look into getting rid of luther for a taller sg/sf. matt barnes is in gs and he gets no playing time. i think a luther for matt barnes would be nice for us

Sports Arsenal · Post #2 » by **Sports Arsenal** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:51 am

First off I love the idea of getting Barnes! Absolutely love it... but A.) He is a free agent this off season and B.) Golden State really has no use for Head... Id love to pick him and Diop up in the offseason though
Id pay luxury tax and do something like this
Sounds like a sure fire way to win a championship to me
Resign Landry
Sign Diop
Sign Barnes

Trade
Portland Incoming: Dan Gadzuric + Head + Houstons first
Miluwaukee Incoming- Bobby Jackson (expiring)+ Hayes
Houston Incoming- Jack/Outlaw

C-Yao/Diop/Mutombo
PF-Scola/Landry/Harris
SF-Battier/Outlaw/Novak
SG-McGrady/Barnes/Francis
PG-Alston/Jack/Brooks

Ya its a pipe dream but yall gotta admit it looks sweet

Texas Longhorns · Post #3 » by **Texas Longhorns** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:01 am

I think he's too small and causes too much match up troubles when it comes to defense. We need a big guard that can score, but I think if we trade him, Luther will find a spot in this league on some team. I hope he becomes a good player in the NBA.

Post #4 » by **dream34** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:42 am

McGrady2Head wrote:I don't know what it is about adelman and jvg, but they just cant help but play guys like luther head and david wesley (midgets). We got beat in the playoffs by dallas because stackhouse torched wesley. we got beat in the playoffs last year because head got torched by giricek. today, luther made michael finley look like michael jordan. wesley was a liability, and so is luther.

in my opinion, i believe we should look into moving luther head this offseason. we dont need another pg, with rafer starting, b. jax backing him up, and our future pg brooks is waiting on his turn. our big men look GREAT with yao, landry, hayes, scola, mutombo. the three headed monster of yao, landry, and scola next year will be fun to watch. t-mac and battier have the 2-3 spots locked down, but there really isnt any back up now that bonzi is gone. i think we need to seriously look into getting rid of luther for a taller sg/sf. matt barnes is in gs and he gets no playing time. i think a luther for matt barnes would be nice for us

You're seriously blaming Luther Head and David Wesley for our playoff woes? And you are crediting Giricek, and his 7 points per game, as the reason the Jazz won, and not Carlos Boozer dominating Yao? And Michael Finley has been on fire recently, shooting over 70% in his last few games, nobody was going to slow him down. Luther has been clutch for us, and now that he has playoff experience he will do much better this time around.

blank1234 · Post #5 » by **blank1234** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:38 am

dream34 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You're seriously blaming Luther Head and David Wesley for our playoff woes? And you are crediting Giricek, and his 7 points per game, as the reason the Jazz won, and not Carlos Boozer dominating Yao? And Michael Finley has been on fire recently, shooting over 70% in his last few games, nobody was going to slow him down. Luther has been clutch for us, and now that he has playoff experience he will do much better this time around.

...and now that he knows how to actually score a bucket in the paint rather than doing something stupid with it and turn it over...well, he does it less now...

:-?

moofs · Post #6 » by **moofs** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:12 pm

Head has improved a lot this year, but he still has some sizeable deficiencies in his game. From a contract standpoint though, I don't see any reason to trade him until after next year (thanks to his improvements).

The trouble with trading Luther is that unless we manage to get someone else to fill his role through free agency or another trade, he isn't as expendable as we'd like him to be, since we lack a lot of perimeter shooting. Getting a shooter back who isn't equally as flawed as Luther in a direct trade isn't likely to happen either. I made a post a while back about the guys who could replace him on the perimeter, and most of them aren't even vaguely acquirable, so for now we're stuck with him. I'll also admit that I've wanted to trade him without really thinking about what other options we had for the better part of the last 2 years prior to this season, but just because he's heavily flawed doesn't mean that giving him away is necessarily the best thing to do. Another thing to remember is that he's still on his rookie contract, which means you're either getting back draft picks or other flawed players unless he's in a package.

tisbee · Post #7 » by **tisbee** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:59 pm

Head's problem is he's too short to be a SG and too slow to be a PG.(Actually his ball handling skills reek,which is why he's not Rockets starting PG.)
On the plus side he's the only Rocket who has a good understanding of Adelman's offence. Watch him in a game compared to rest of team-he and Jackson are the only players who are in constant motion,making hard cuts,dives and reverses. His grasp of the system is why Adelman plays him and why it was Snyder,not Head who was traded away. As Moofs pointed out,he's one of two rotation players I don't cringe when I see him shoot a 3(Battier).
Unless the Rockets can get a really good upgrade at some position for him,I don't see Head being traded thru his contract.(If Alston ever got hurt-and that is one of the good things about Rafer,you know he'll be in line-up-I'd be willing to bet Head becomes primary back-up over Brooks.)
I really doubt the Rockets will trade Bobby Jackson. He's got Adelman's trust and a coach doesn't like to part w/his security blanket.

Post #8 » by **Optimism Prime** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:32 pm

Trade Head for Love!

Not only is it a good idea, it's a fun slogan!

camron1269 · Post #9 » by **camron1269** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:42 pm

this is dumb... blaming head for giricek and finley? come on. giricek torched everyone including tmac. and finley torched everyone including battier. nobody says anything when battier allows 50 to kobe or 30 to jrich because hes battier. give luther a break he really messed up only one or two plays taking gambles finley was just on FIRE. he is a sick 3 point shooter, i think he just runs on confidence and when he doesnt play he doesnt have confidence. if he actually gets to play which apparently he is more and more now hell be good and he has improved. his passing and ballhandling are much better than last year. also, its definitely not his speed that holds him back the dude is FAST, it has been his ballhandling and still kind of is, he needs to just chill sometimes.

and shaqsux you want us to give jackson, head, hayes, and our first round pick for jarrett jack and travis outlaw? and you call that a pipedream? wow. pipedream for the other teams maybe

ALPHAandOMEGA · Post #10 » by **ALPHAandOMEGA** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:25 pm

Head is an ok guy to have on your bench, but not a 20+ min a game player. Our system is not well designed for 1 dimensional (1.5 since he gats a couple layups once in a while) players. Head is active, but whats the point of being active when you run around the three point line doing that stupid pumpfake, that really never works. Hes not comparable to , peja, korver, M.Miller, etc. b/c he is too small and too light. Big guards back him down, and fast guards go around him. As far as battier getting a free pass.... look at the shooting percentages of the players he guards. Sure kobe dropped a bunch on him, but he did it on 11-33 shooting. Ill take that any night.

Like someone already said Head isnt what we need, but we dont have the players/ contracts to upgrade what he does.

Amel · Post #11 » by **Amel** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:36 pm

ShaqSux wrote:First off I love the idea of getting Barnes! Absolutely love it... but A.) He is a free agent this off season and B.) Golden State really has no use for Head... Id love to pick him and Diop up in the offseason though
Id pay luxury tax and do something like this
Sounds like a sure fire way to win a championship to me
Resign Landry
Sign Diop
Sign Barnes

Trade
Portland Incoming: Dan Gadzuric + Head + Houstons first
Miluwaukee Incoming- Bobby Jackson (expiring)+ Hayes
Houston Incoming- Jack/Outlaw

C-Yao/Diop/Mutombo
PF-Scola/Landry/Harris
SF-Battier/Outlaw/Novak
SG-McGrady/Barnes/Francis
PG-Alston/Jack/Brooks

Ya its a pipe dream but yall gotta admit it looks sweet

I was talking about Barnes at CF.net two years ago and people thought it was not a good idea

CJballa14 · Post #12 » by **CJballa14** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:48 pm

you want barnes to play SG?? He's a 3 who can play a 4 in a small lineup... not a SG at all...

moofs · Post #13 » by **moofs** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:53 pm

Amel wrote:I was talking about Barnes at CF.net two years ago and people thought it was not a good idea

I'd like to have Barnes, but I doubt we get him, and there was no way we were going to get him via trade (a hardnosed multiposition team captain only making 3 million/yr? Golden State's response: "LOL YA RITE NOOB") before now. We'll see...

PocketRockets · Post #14 » by **PocketRockets** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:51 pm

I like Luther's progress. His TO's are down it seems and he still has a decent shot. For the money, I don't think we can complain. If he continues to improve and doesn't ask for a lot of money, I don't see why he can't stay with the team. As for getting burned by Finley, that dude was on fire. Did you see the clips where battier's hand was in his face and he hit that bank jump shot? Sick....I think it was a bad idea not to start Battier. We were outplayed and partially outcoached the last game. =/

giordunk · Post #15 » by **giordunk** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 10:43 pm

We really should have traded Luther last season when his value was high.

Ksnyder18 · Post #16 » by **Ksnyder18** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 3:14 am

Luthers made really good improvment this year. I agree with the fact that he shouldnt be playing 20-25 minutes a game but IMO hes a good person to come off of the bench. He can shoot, and Penetrate pretty well. I have never really understood all of the hate for Luther

DraftBoy10 · Post #17 » by **DraftBoy10** » Tue Apr 1, 2008 10:58 pm

Luther still has one problem and he won't get past it until he actually DEVELOPS. He's been the same player for 3 years. Anyways, he just holds that ball like he's McGrady, he just holds it and holds it. If it weren't for his cheap price and his lights out shooting, he'd already be out of here. If we can get another shooter in here, but a little taller and definitely swing ability(can play the 3 also) that'd help a lot. I just don't see how we do that financially with the cheap price Head comes at.

jacoby1us · Post #18 » by **jacoby1us** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:31 am

ignorance is bliss, blaming a role player, who's minutes have significantly dropped since the arrival of Jackson is ridiculous. It might be a good idea to look for a healthier superstar instead of blaming role players, who play no more than 10 mins a game within the past 2 months.

jacoby1us · Post #19 » by **jacoby1us** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:34 am

then u all would like to pick up the likes of Matt Barnes, and Diop? Desperation has definitely sunken in. Barnes sucks! Diop still has yet to identify his game after serving over 4 yrs in the league.

sweet_jesus · Post #20 » by **sweet_jesus** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:53 am

Honestly I think simply starting Battier in the last SA would have thrown Finely off enough to not get that hot hand.

That blame must fall on decision to match Gino's minutes by Adelman.

When you let a streaky shooter like Finley get that hot early on it doesn't matter who is guarding him. There were shots that Finely could have thrown from under his leg and they'd still go in.

Head gets the job done.

You can't expect the guy to do more than he's capable of. Head a role play that knows his role. There is no need to replace the guy for not becoming something special.

A bigger 2 guard that can create his own shot from off the bench is needed next year. Odds are if we somehow get someone that fits this bill he'll have his own flaws that Head will need to balance out.