A $105,272,371 roster not making the playoffs?

DJDanji · Post #21 » by **DJDanji** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:21 am

Duiz wrote:Still though.. look at the Spurs, they get under salary cap rosters, and they win championships. I think Dallas, New York, and other teams are just building up the wrong way.

I don't get why it is wrong to be over the cap?
As long as you don't plan to make a big free agent signing (which is very tough, when you are trying to have a competing team at the same time), the only one who should care about the salaries is Cuban.

Post #22 » by **SOUL** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:23 am

I didn't know our salary was that low. I've been blinded by $hard.

Jemini80 · Post #23 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:28 am

Sooner or later the Knicks are going to get the other half of the equation right, they are going to overpay for WINNING talent, and then everyone besides Portland with Paul Allen, LAL, and Dallas are screwed. And of course the Spurs, or whatever team RC is executive of at that time in the next 20 years when the Knicks figure it out.

Idunkon1stdates · Post #24 » by **Idunkon1stdates** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:29 am

The lack of correlation between money spent and wins produced means many basketball GMs are not good at measuring talent.

Jemini80 · Post #25 » by **Jemini80** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:36 am

Idunkon1stdates wrote:The lack of correlation between money spent and wins produced means many basketball GMs are not good at measuring talent.

that is because there are only about 4-7 great GMs(Mitch, RC, Thorn, Presti, Pritchard, and Dumars) in the league, then a couple good ones (Colangelo...), average ones(Mullin, Kerr,etc..) and a couple absolutely horrible ones (Bird, Thomas, Baylor, and McHale.)

some will mock the Pritchard and Presti inclusion on great GMs, but Pritchard has made two great moves (Oden, and trading Randolph for a soon to be expiring contract), and one great non-move (not pulling a gut-reaction trade this year to get them to the 8th seed by sacrificing their future). Presti has just stolen every contender's draft picks for the next 17 years.

YouveBeenZeked · Post #26 » by **YouveBeenZeked** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:49 am

The Knicks past will now be changing with Walsh here. Look for the payroll to decrease and the Knicks to actually set some goal for cap space in the coming years.

broyblazin · Post #27 » by **broyblazin** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 12:25 pm

Bgil wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

How did Portland get Steve Francis' salary? I must have missed that one. How is Francis playing (sitting) for Houston and getting paid by Portland?

Francis came in from the Randolph trade over the summer, and the Blazers promptly paid bought him out for $30 million so he would not show up. His contract is on Portland's books until then end of 08-09 season. The contract he signed with Houston is separate.

MalReyn · Post #28 » by **MalReyn** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 12:33 pm

My guess for the highest ever is the 05-06 Knicks of two years ago.

Payroll of $126,610,272!

farzi · Post #29 » by **farzi** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:37 pm

broyblazin wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Francis came in from the Randolph trade over the summer, and the Blazers promptly paid bought him out for $30 million so he would not show up. His contract is on Portland's books until then end of 08-09 season. The contract he signed with Houston is separate.

This.

greenbeans · Post #30 » by **greenbeans** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:48 pm

Bgil wrote:How did Portland get Steve Francis' salary? I must have missed that one. How is Francis playing (sitting) for Houston and getting paid by Portland?

did you even read the post???

farzi wrote:Well, to be fair, a large chunk of PDX's salary is taken up by players who don't even play. Steve Francis, Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles.

The reason the first two are on the salary is because they both expire the same time, and K.P. planned ahead. Miles hasn't played in 2 years, and was signed to a terrible contract by our former GM.

JN · Post #31 » by JN » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:49 pm

Idunkon1stdates wrote:The lack of correlation between money spent and wins produced means many basketball GMs are not good at measuring talent.

Or that GM's have made moves that early in the contract were in corrlation with there stage in the franchise success cycle. (and that is not always a bad thing)

Duiz · Post #32 » by **Duiz** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:27 pm

I hear Donnie Walsh is looking to reduce the Knicks spending. I guess the Knicks might become a decent team, but they will have to ship out players.

MrDollarBills · Post #33 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:14 pm

They can start by shipping Zach to fat camp!!!!

Scalabrine · Post #34 » by **Scalabrine** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:19 pm

like the Mavs the Knicks were paying players they had bought out or players that just sat at home instead of playing them.

Steve Francis
Penny Hardaway
Shandon Anderson
Jalen Rose
Maurice Taylor
JYD
Allan Houston
all of these guys were on the salary cap but were not playing on the team.

RoyceDa59 · Post #35 » by **RoyceDa59** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:23 pm

Am I the only one who thinks the Mavericks are definately making the playoffs this season? They are quite simply a better team than Denver and Golden State, and Houston for that matter. Dallas will not only make the playoffs but have a very legitimate chance at upsetting a higher seed in the 1st round.

Don't sleep on the Mavs just yet.