The Iguodala Situation

[SouthJersey]

With his big payday coming up, with him looking to get 60 million, what will the 76ers do? The obvious problem is him and Thad both play the 3. Is resigning him the best option for this team bc I do not see him as a SG. I could be wrong and would be open to being convinced that his future position is a SG, but everytime I see him drive the lane, I cringe. While he makes some circus shots, do we really want to rely on that from the guy who is supposed to get to the rim?

What if we could trade him for someone that is a true SG or PF or a high first round pick? What would the cost of Iguodala be? What about a trade to the Bucks for Redd and their first rounder? At this point, I'm trying to gage what is the best move fore this team longterm.

[Sixers24]

You simply let the market set itself. Once that happens, you resign him to a fair contract. Then you go from there. Either he fits at the 2 alongside Thad at the 3 (and a new PF) or one of the other hundred scenarios we've come up with on this board, or you trade him for a better fit. If you hold true to the original sentence, he'll have a fair contract and thus retain the same value he had last year or now.

[ankle420breaker]

Not another 'what are we going to do about Iguodala thread.'

Everyone talking about trading Iguodala is ignoring a plethora of details. He's our best defensive player, he's our most deadly weapon on the fast break, which we largely depend on; he's still only 23, and he's a guy that can impact all aspects of the game (not just scoring).

As for Iguodala not being able to get to the rim. I don't see that to be a glaring weakness in his game at all.... him playing the 2 guard will not hurt this team...

Not to mention, Iguodala has a huge desire to win... He's always grabbing critical rebounds, or making critical stops, or hitting critical shots.... Contract issues aside, I really don't understand the constant questioning as to whether or not he has a future here.

[Sixercise]

Seriously, enough with these Iggy threads.


Just move him to SG, Thad to SF and get the PF we need. Next!

[ITK9]

With his big payday coming up, with him looking to get 60 million, what will the 76ers do? The obvious problem is him and Thad both play the 3.

the problem is that iggy doesn't seem to be looking for 60 mil(he rejected 57mil/5 years, why would he accept 60 mil/6 years?).i think he is looking for around 70mil/6 years

[SendEm]

Either Iggy is not a better SG than Willie or Thad isn't a better basketball player than Willie right now. This lineup is hardly ever on the floor together:

Miller
Iggy
Thad
Evans
Sammy

[dbodner]

Either Iggy is not a better SG than Willie or Thad isn't a better basketball player than Willie right now. This lineup is hardly ever on the floor together:

Mo's been quoted as saying he's not comfortable with Thad's handle and perimeter game at this time, and that it needs to be his focus in the offseason.

[SouthJersey]

It comes up alot, but this is a big concern. People say slide AI over to SG. Well, what if that doesnt work. and we're playing him 12- 15 million per? Then Thad's new contract comes up and he's gonne want atleast 10 per. So what, we'll have 25 mill a season locked into 2 guys who play the same spot?

Sendem, you bring up a good point in the reason to why AI hasnt started at the 2 if that is his future position. Very little do I see him playing the SG, but yet when we sign this PF, he is expect to play there. I love the defense he brings, I even like his shot...but I dont want the ball in his hands when we need a basket. Everyone on the court knows what AI is going to do with the ball. He can score when it's one on one, but once he's doubled, he's got no chance.

[tk76]

We are not covering any new ground with this thread- and I'm sure it will devolve into namecalling very quickly.

Here are Iguodala's stats this year at SG and SF: http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHI6C.HTM

Unless you can get back equal value, you never move a 24 year old good player just because of the cap. The cap limits how much a young player can be paid. even with a max contract, he will not be one of the top 30 paid players in the league,m and will be easily traded down the road if need be.

For example, Howard signed the max, and will make 13M next year ( I strongly doubt Iguodala will get the max.) Howard will make less than the #33 top paid player next year (Keyon martin, who will make 14M+.) RJ will also make more than 13M next year, and at his age and skill level is probably less valuable on the open market than Iguodala.

If we have a good young player at a reasonable contract then you have no problem. If the roster needs to be tweaked in 2 years you have two great trade assets in Young and Iguodala, and you move whoever gets you the missing piece you need.

Of course if you can move Iguodala for any equally good and promissing PF then you have to strongly consider making a move- but that is unlikely to be an option. More likely would be some sort of sign and trade that gets you some picks and pennies on the dollar- which would set us back to square one in our rebuilding.

[dond]

Well, I am just glad that I/We do not have to make that decision. I/We just need to watch the games, cheer them on, and let the Sixer Executives make those decisions. So ... with that ... I am going golfing.

[dbodner]

People say slide AI over to SG. Well, what if that doesnt work. and we're playing him 12- 15 million per?

Iguodala has played the 2 guard before. There was this guy here, you may remember him, called Kyle Korver who started 100 games during a two year spanned, and who played 30 mpg+ 3 consecutive years. It's not like this two guard thing is a new idea.

According to 82games.com, before this year Iguodala played more minutes at the 2-guard than he did at the 3. In 2006-2007, he played 41% of the SG minutes on the team, 34% of the SF minutes. His rookie year was even more dramatic, 50% vs 16%.

And from a productivity standpoint? It's not even close.
2004-2005:
SG: 15.4 PER, 13.8 pp48, +0 Per Differential
SF: 12.2 PER, 11.8 pp48, -6.8 PER differential
2005-2006:
SG: 17.1 PER, 16 pp48, +1.3 PER Differential
SF: 14.8 PER, 15.5 pp48, -2.7 PER differential
2006-2007:
SG: 20.9 PER, 22.8 pp48, +3.8 PER Differential
SF: 18.3 PER, 20.4 pp48, +0.3 PER Differential

That's not just a slight increase in productivity at SG over SF. That's every single one of those 3 categories being higher at SG than SF for 3 consecutive years.

So, if he played more minutes at SG than at SF before this year, AND he was more productive at SG than at SF every year before this year, why is there all of a sudden this fear that he can't be a 2 guard?

[afrazier24]

Relax everybody Iggy would love to play the 2 guard position he said it in an interview he had on WIP with Eskin. Go to the website and listen to the Pod Cast! The odd man out here would be Willie Green.

[The Guilty Party]

Seriously, enough with these Iggy threads.


Just move him to SG, Thad to SF and get the PF we need. Next!

+1! He's gonna get paid and considering Stefasnki's words on DNL a week ago ("Iguodala can develop into a great three-point shooter"), he's going to be moved to the 2 if/when we acquire a PF.

Next!

[CPops57]

I wouldn't mind considering all possible options, but I think Iguodala is a very productive player regardless of whether he is labelled a SG or SF and the Sixers would likely be much worse off without him.

To me, the plan for the SG/SF positions in the offseason should be to....

Step 1: Make sure Thad works on his ball-handling so he's ready to excel at SF.

Step 2: Sort out which of the backups such as Green and Carney, if any, should stay.

Step 3: Depending on what you decide during step 2, add one or more bench SGs/SFs. Ideally, at least one of them should be a good shooter. They can come through the draft or be cheap free agents.

[SouthJersey]

DBods, those numbers favor Iguodala as a SG, but those numbers are in the past. His numbers this year reflect differently:

FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*

SG 18.2 0.434 7.3 26% 6.0 6.1 3.2 0.7 2.4 21.2 17.9
SF 19.3 0.513 7.7 28% 6.6 5.6 3.3 0.8 3.0 25.3 22.3

Those numbers dont appear close to me.

[SouthJersey]

Also, dont get the impression that I dont like AI as a player, I just think he's terrible with at driving to the basket.

[51X3RF4N]

Either Iggy is not a better SG than Willie or Thad isn't a better basketball player than Willie right now. This lineup is hardly ever on the floor together:

Miller
Iggy
Thad
Evans
Sammy

Meh.....honestly.....Iggy is much better than Willie....and so is Thad. The reason for the lack of that lineup is where does the offense come from? Willie is a shooter and a guy who can sometimes put up 8-10 quick points. Unless you replace him with L-Will in the starting lineup, or maybe Carney, you aren't getting the right offensive production.

If we had a PF who could score 20 a game consistently, as I might have mentioned before, we could afford to have Iggy and Thad on the wings. But with Evans being a complete moron offensively, that won't work.

Get it???

[Sixercise]

P.S.: Don't feed the trolls.....>.>

[SendEm]

DBods, those numbers favor Iguodala as a SG, but those numbers are in the past. His numbers this year reflect differently:

FGA eFG% FTA iFG Reb Ast T/O Blk PF Pts PER*

SG 18.2 0.434 7.3 26% 6.0 6.1 3.2 0.7 2.4 21.2 17.9
SF 19.3 0.513 7.7 28% 6.6 5.6 3.3 0.8 3.0 25.3 22.3

Those numbers dont appear close to me.

Wow so this is a case where the numbers actually reflect what's happening on the court. Iggy is not so good at SG when the SF isn't a defense stretcher like Korver and the PG isn't a great perimeter scorer like Iverson...

[THFM]

People face it, IGGY IS NOT GETTING TRADED. Even Ed said he would pay iggy enough money for him and his kids and his kids kids. I don't where the link is but Ed did say that. Iggy is a part of this team's future success in getting a championship. The only way I trade him is either we get Howard or Lebron and that is NOT happening. If I were you guys I would be looking at how the Laker's dont want to extend Odom and try and get him to play PF here.