The Perfect PF for the Magic

Dwightmare · Post #41 » by **Dwightmare** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:24 pm

Id rather worry about finding a good fitting PF that is reasonably attainable then hypothetical perfect PF. I leave that for my NBA2k8 sessions.

ProfX · Post #42 » by **ProfX** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:26 pm

TooNice00 wrote:trading hedo for brad, haslem, or any other medicore PF is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He makes 6 million a year and that probably makes him one of the most underpaid players in the entire league not under a rookie salary. Why trade a borderline or actual all star, who is on a great salary, averaging 20ppg for a AVERAGE PF of simlar age making 6-10 million? Makes no sense financially or basketball wise. Statiscally speaking brad miller and haslem would look worse along side howard. Neither of them will be close to pulling down double digit rebounding as they are now.

I disagree with your last statement...Brad is a great offensive rebounder, while Dwight is a great defensive rebounder.. they would compliment each other pretty well. But I am reluctant to trade the value and player we have in Hedo..

TooNice00 · Post #43 » by **TooNice00** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:47 pm

miller simply makes too much money and is unattainable with our assets and nor is he worth it.

TheRevTy · Post #44 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:06 pm

Thief, curious as to why you say we could never get those three. I agree with Brand and Bosh, they are pipedreams, but Jermaine figures to be gone from Indiana this offseason. I wouldn't call it an impossibility.

theTHIEF · Post #45 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:08 pm

$20M a season...way out of the scope...we're not the Mavericks or the Knicks...

oakfanintheeast · Post #46 » by **oakfanintheeast** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:15 pm

anyone ever mention Najera?

TheRevTy · Post #47 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:15 pm

How much longer does he have on his contract?

We also have to be realistic that Hedo is going to have a pretty significant asking price as soon as he can.

theTHIEF · Post #48 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:18 pm

he has 2 years left after this i believe, and im not 100% but i think they are 21M and 23M or something...so, no thanks...

and Hedo will get his paper...we have his rights...so not a big deal really...

TheRevTy · Post #49 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:22 pm

But regardless of whether we have his rights, that would be 4 big contracts, two of them being small forwards...

theTHIEF · Post #50 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:23 pm

nothing wrong with that...if we make some good moves for some cheap long term guys and do some proper drafting...after all, that's how it is supposed to work...

TheRevTy · Post #51 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:26 pm

But don't we have to look in the mirror at some point and face the reality that Hedo and Rashard on the floor at the same time means limiting one of the two by playing them out of position? I mean, people say the solution is to bring Hedo off the bench, but that doesn't change that one would have to play either SF or PF and they are not their best at those positions?

theTHIEF · Post #52 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:29 pm

why does position matter so much? we have the best big man in the league, he counts as a C and a PF, Rashard is doing work at the PF spot, Hedo is murking the SF slot, our only real concern should be big man depth for rebounding and slugging up the opposing bigs and the guard positions...dont be blinded by the hype...positions dont mean that much...it's assignments and production...

TheRevTy · Post #53 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:31 pm

I mean, as a big man who played the game, do you look at Rashard Lewis and think legit PF? He has the height and the post up game (kind of) but he doesn't have the shot-blocking or rebounding skills that someone like Garnett or Bosh have to compensate for their slender body type.

theTHIEF · Post #54 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:38 pm

maybe not, but what do you say to the legit PF guarding him? if you give up 4 to get 5, don't you win? sure he has his troubles with certain guys, but the fact that he's healthy, still contributing at a consistent clip, happy and comfortable, i don't see the issue...the guy has stepped his game up this season in other areas outside scoring...i dont personally see the issue with Rashard...

a few big guys off the bench who can hustle and rebound while Dwight and Shard are resting and another PG and SG and we're set...

TheRevTy · Post #55 » by **TheRevTy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:42 pm

So you're saying we need a tough goon to come off the bench, rough up the opposing bigs, get them in some foul trouble, and then go back to our smaller lineup? Kind of a Nocioni type?

I could agree with this. Do you see the Hedo-Shard-Dwight frontcourt as the permanant solution?

ProfX · Post #56 » by **ProfX** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:43 pm

TheRevTy wrote:So you're saying we need a tough goon to come off the bench, rough up the opposing bigs, get them in some foul trouble, and then go back to our smaller lineup? Kind of a Nocioni type?

I could agree with this. Do you see the Hedo-Shard-Dwight frontcourt as the permanant solution?

pretty much agrees with that

theTHIEF · Post #57 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:58 pm

well, we need another C that can rebound and score, more so than Foyle, Battie will fit that bill when he comes back. We need a PF that is big and can hold his own against the opposing teams bench and body up their starter(s) when needed. I am all for Cook playing the reserve 3 spot next season...

Dwightmare · Post #58 » by **Dwightmare** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:11 pm

theTHIEF wrote:well, we need another C that can rebound and score, more so than Foyle, Battie will fit that bill when he comes back. We need a PF that is big and can hold his own against the opposing teams bench and body up their starter(s) when needed. I am all for Cook playing the reserve 3 spot next season...

Diop with the MLE? He cant really score much, but he can rebound and defend. Will NJ resign both Kristic and Diop? Because I would take either.

spinedoc · Post #59 » by **spinedoc** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:14 pm

ProfX wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yea I like Brad too..but god his contract scares me if he goes down. Doesnt he have two years left at like 10 and 12 million...What I like about Brad is that he could actually start with Dwight and move Rashard to the SF.. I would consider trading Turk for Brad.. Brad is nice passer out of the post and I believe as you do the team would balance out better.

To be honest I would rather trade Rashard than Hedo..but I like running the two of them together. I had major reservations about it during the beginning of the year.. I feel we just need to upgrade at PG and SG

Me too actually. I was very worried about the two of them together, but clearly we were wrong. I'm not that gung ho about trading Hedo now, but for the right package I would. Brad fits that as long as we get a starting sg at the same time like Garcia. Sure Brad is at the end of a big deal, but soon we will have to pay Hedo a good chunk of change too so its not that much of a difference. There are others that I would trade Hedo for, the obvious ones like Brand. It would have to be something very good to pull the trigger on however. Its funny because last year I would have given him away so that we could have resigned Darko. Boy, that was off the mark. :wink:

ProfX · Post #60 » by **ProfX** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:18 pm

spinedoc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Me too actually. I was very worried about the two of them together, but clearly we were wrong. I'm not that gung ho about trading Hedo now, but for the right package I would. Brad fits that as long as we get a starting sg at the same time like Garcia. Sure Brad is at the end of a big deal, but soon we will have to pay Hedo a good chunk of change too so its not that much of a difference. There are others that I would trade Hedo for, the obvious ones like Brand. It would have to be something very good to pull the trigger on however. Its funny because last year I would have given him away so that we could have resigned Darko. Boy, that was off the mark.

I think this season shows how good a coach Stan is...and its good to be wrong.. But what else do we add if we did the Kings deal? the salary difference is much