Is Deron Williams' season being overlooked in light of CP3?

BiggMann · Post #41 » by **BiggMann** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:01 pm

Better this, better that... blah blah blah. Arent you guys sick of talking about this?

Chris Paul is a sensational player and has been since H.S., he's been well known pretty much his entire career, he's been on sportscenter ever since his 61 point game in HS. Deron was pretty much under the radar until his Final Four explosion against Arizona when he took over the game and got the victory.

but as a jazz fan i like the fact that Paul is getting all the hype, for one it's deserved dude is playing a sick style of basketball right now, I mean for a point guard to put up those kind of numbers is ridiculous. With CP getting all the pub, it just makes Deron want to work that much harder to get the kind of recognition he feel he deserves.

Time to kill these type of threads, CP3 and D-Will will always be linked by the 2005 draft, But I can assure you that no Utah fan or New Orleans fan would have it gone any other way.... Utah is happy with their PG and i'm sure NO feels the same.

Both great players in their own right... and for that douche that said Deron's D is suspect obviously speaks before he thinks. Watch him then come back here and tell me his defense is suspect.

CAE15 · Post #42 » by **CAE15** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 3:51 pm

Both are great will be great, lets see how they playa gaisnt each other, its about the wins and losses. If they meet in the playoffs who cares who the better player is. Who ever wins is what matters. How many players would trade away an award for the championship? almost all.

thought I would be more aware of my 1000th post, ah well.

Duiz · Post #43 » by **Duiz** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:25 pm

Why is this a Chris Paul vs. Deron Williams thread again? The fact is that he has had an spectacular season once more, and no matter what we can say about him, he and Paul are on the top.

The point is not because Paul is having a better statistical season, therefore it is right to overlook Deron's accomplishment. Sorry guys, but that mentality is classless.

GreenWithEnvy · Post #44 » by **GreenWithEnvy** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:27 pm

not only is Paul having a superior season statistically but hes just plain better and is already a top 5 player in the NBA. no one considers DWill a top 5 player in the NBA. The fact that he plays with a dominant post player in Boozer, great role players, a deep bench and a HOF coach also diminish the argument for DWill.

PimpHandStrong · Post #45 » by **PimpHandStrong** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:23 pm

Just wanted to clear up some of the "better defender" talk.

Williams holds his opposite number to an eFG% of .477, Paul holds his to .520. Considering the huge advantage Paul gains by having two great help defenders behind him (please watch Boozer and Memo for a couple games...disgusting), I think it's clear who the better man defender is.

That said, Chris Paul deserves the attention he is getting, and should be a top 3 MVP candidate this season (who's just as worthy of the award as any player). Sure Deron is overlooked, but who cares?

2poor · Post #46 » by **2poor** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:38 pm

PimpHandStrong wrote:Williams holds his opposite number to an eFG% of .477, Paul holds his to .520. Considering the huge advantage Paul gains by having two great help defenders behind him (please watch Boozer and Memo for a couple games...disgusting), I think it's clear who the better man defender is.

I suppose you could attribute some of that to the huge gap the teams have when it comes to fouling though, right?

speedkillz · Post #47 » by **speedkillz** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:22 pm

Duiz wrote:Why is this a Chris Paul vs. Deron Williams thread again? The fact is that he has had an spectacular season once more, and no matter what we can say about him, he and Paul are on the top.

The point is not because Paul is having a better statistical season, therefore it is right to overlook Deron's accomplishment. Sorry guys, but that mentality is classless.

Read the first thread dude; CP was in this thing from jump, He was part of the question.......... D-Will is still a stud BTW............

PharoaheMonch · Post #48 » by **PharoaheMonch** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:23 pm

Paul is like a Maybach, Williams is like an expensive top of the line Benz.

PimpHandStrong · Post #49 » by **PimpHandStrong** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:40 pm

2poor wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I suppose you could attribute some of that to the huge gap the teams have when it comes to fouling though, right?

I think the disparity in quality of help defense more than makes up for any difference team fouling does. Deron still holds his opposite number to fewer points per 48 than Paul, despite the Jazz playing at a faster pace, fouling like crazy and having Boozer and Memo defending close to the basket. New Orleans holds their opponents to a lower field goal percentage than the Jazz, too. Watching the games, and looking at other objective indicators, should make it clear that Deron is a better man defender.

2poor · Post #50 » by **2poor** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:10 pm

PimpHandStrong wrote:I think the disparity in quality of help defense more than makes up for any difference team fouling does. Deron still holds his opposite number to fewer points per 48 than Paul, despite the Jazz playing at a faster pace, fouling like crazy and having Boozer and Memo defending close to the basket. New Orleans holds their opponents to a lower field goal percentage than the Jazz, too. Watching the games, and looking at other objective indicators, should make it clear that Deron is a better man defender.

Two scenarios:

1.) PG X blows past Deron and is getting ready to attempt a high percentage shot (lay-up or otherwise), as he does, he's hacked by Harpring (or whoever), misses the shot but gets to the line. Makes two free throws, but no recorded FGM or FGA.

2.) PG Y blows past Paul and is getting ready to attempt a high percentage shot (lay-up or otherwise), as he does, his shot is contested (but not blocked) by a help defender (or Paul himself). No fouls occur, a FG is attempted and is made (or missed, doesn't matter).

New Orleans permits only .241 free-throw attempts per field-goal attempt, and the impact is enormous -- relative to the league average, this saves the Hornets about four points per game. Because of this, they're No. 6 in defensive efficiency, even though they're below the league average in both field-goal defense and forcing turnovers.

Not to mention, the Hornets play a ton of zone defense (especially so with Pargo/Paul on the floor), so I'd figure that'd have an impact on the eFG% as well (relative to who was actually guarding who when a FG was attempted and/or made). Meaning that Paul, at the PG spot, might be charged with the made FG of an opposing PG that wasn't actually his responsibility on the defensive end due to the nature of the zone they were in.

Just saying.

2poor · Post #51 » by **2poor** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:44 pm

Likewise.

PimpHandStrong · Post #52 » by **PimpHandStrong** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:44 pm

2poor wrote:Just saying.

I think maybe it would help if you read more than just the first sentence in my post.

Post #53 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:54 pm

Since when are Chandler and West such great help defenders? If Chris were getting blown past so much, you would think they would average more than 2.2 blocks.

I think us jazz and Hornets fans should just laugh about the comparison and hijack the thread or something until people stop making these

2poor · Post #54 » by **2poor** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 9:58 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I think us Jazz and Hornets fans should just laugh about the comparison and hijack the thread or something until people stop making these

Mods are going to send you to kangaroo court for that. :lol:

Post #55 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:06 pm

2poor wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Mods are going to send you to kangaroo court for that.

No trust me, the mods are as tired as these threads as they are of Kobe, and conspiracy thread. Any reason to lock them is good for us

btw people, don't actually hijack the thread.....

kookie_819 · Post #56 » by **kookie_819** » Thu Apr 3, 2008 10:14 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

No trust me, the mods are as tired as these threads as they are of Kobe, and conspiracy thread. Any reason to lock them is good for us

btw people, don't actually hijack the thread.....

Chris Paul > Deron Williams, because I don't like Jazz fans... how dare they boo Derek Fisher

:wink:

(It's a joke, don't flame!)