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Post#41 » by Cammo101 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 4:59 am

theTHIEF wrote:alright, i have taken a lot of time, i weeded down through my list and i have decided who I want the Magic to shoot for, Chris Douglas-Roberts...the kid has it...a total package...great size and speed for his position, excellent athlete, good on defense and can score in various ways including shooting and attacking the basket...


Classic case of good at everything, great at nothing. He would not be the worst pick in the world, but I would much rather have Collison, Hibbert, or Weaver.

CDR is a guy who is bigger and stronger than those guarding him in college, in the NBA that will not be the case and he will suffer.
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Post#42 » by lovehoops01 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:38 am

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If the Magic "need" a rookie selected at ~22, then the team is truly in do-do. But they don't and they're not. :)


They could be if this summer doesn't go well. This is the problem: The Magic have five unrestricted free agents -- and at least one more player who could opt out of his contract. That means you have to look at the roster like this for next season:

Nelson/????/????
Redick/????/????
Turkoglu/????
Lewis/Battie/Cook (if he and his hand the corporation want to play)
Howard/Foyle (if he doesn't have an option in his contract)/Gortat

They have no cap room to add talent.

After next season (if not before) Redick, Turk, Bogans (if he does not leave this summer) and Foyle could be gone, too. That means that whoever they bring in needs to get some playing time because he is going to have to be able to contribute immediately the following season. Therefore, you don't want him to spend one season in Europe and then have to contribute in the NBA next season after never having played an NBA game. And no, I'm not of the opinion that Fran is going to join the team at any point so I'm not counting on him.
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Post#43 » by TheRevTy » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:18 am

Does anyone know if he would put the hyphenated name on his jersey? Douglas-Roberts, that is.
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Post#44 » by drsd » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:13 am

lovehoops01 wrote:They could be if this summer doesn't go well. This is the problem: The Magic have five unrestricted free agents -- and at least one more player who could opt out of his contract. That means you have to look at the roster like this for next season:

Nelson/????/????
Redick/????/????
Turkoglu/????
Lewis/Battie/Cook (if he and his hand the corporation want to play)
Howard/Foyle (if he doesn't have an option in his contract)/Gortat

They have no cap room to add talent.


Agreed that GM Smith has his work cut out. Priority one for depth sake looks to be resigning Dooling and Evans. Then the ???? go down to three from five.

From there, the Magic will add a rookie who I agree looks to make the team, and an MLE guy. From there, there will be one-to-four others tha can only get LLE money.

Even more, if the Magic trade for a new PF, they look to give up more low priced guys for a single high priced guy. So even more LLE's will need to be found.

GM Smith will be busy.
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Post#45 » by SOUL » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:17 am

Otis is going to skip the draft pick because "He likes our team". :D
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Post#46 » by theTHIEF » Thu Apr 3, 2008 7:47 am

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Classic case of good at everything, great at nothing. He would not be the worst pick in the world, but I would much rather have Collison, Hibbert, or Weaver.

CDR is a guy who is bigger and stronger than those guarding him in college, in the NBA that will not be the case and he will suffer.


k thanks...still going with him as a quality pick though...over the years i have made many picks, been wrong, been right...it happens...

good looking out draft czar...
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Post#47 » by drsd » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:27 am

theTHIEF wrote:alright, i have taken a lot of time, i weeded down through my list and i have decided who I want the Magic to shoot for, Chris Douglas-Roberts...the kid has it...a total package...great size and speed for his position, excellent athlete, good on defense and can score in various ways including shooting and attacking the basket...


For his height, he's not a particularly good rebounder. In the end, this kids upside looks to be Keith Bogans. Draft slot #22 might be a bit high for a Bogans type.
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Post#48 » by eyriq » Thu Apr 3, 2008 11:43 am

drsd wrote:Serge Ibaka and store him away in Europe for a couple years.


I like Ibaka myself. How old is he again? That and the level of competition he has played against are my only concerns.
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Post#49 » by theTHIEF » Thu Apr 3, 2008 1:21 pm

are you...are you joking? Chris Roberts is Keith Bogans???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

oh man...let me wipe the tears from my eyes...

well i am not sure how many times you have seen Chris play this season (considering how this usually goes online, you might say you have seen "nearly every game" "most games" "a lot of games" or "none")

this kid is definitely NOT Bogans...this kid probably has the best body control for any SG in his class, he has a giant wingspan, a wicked first step and cross over, excellent ball handling skills, a wide knowledge of the game, he works well without the ball, very strong, stays focused on his teammates from what i can tell, he is a very good defender, he's quick, probably has the best turn around jumper i have seen in awhile, great shooting form, very pure stroke from anywhere and can hit the 3 ball with consistency and he's not a show boater he's a pretty humble kid...

so yea, he's a tall order...sure' it's college...but after you watch a player for so long, you just pickup on things...when I watch Memphis games, I watch for this kid not Rose...Gordan/Batum may be the best all around SG's in the draft depending on who you ask, but Roberts is no doubt #2/#3 in my mind...and if we go for a 2 guard, this should be the kid...

Bogans...lol
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Post#50 » by Cammo101 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 2:36 pm

CDR is not much like Bogans. Bogans is a better outside shooter, CDR is a better everything else. Also, CDR has a lot more upside than bogans ever did.
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Post#51 » by Catledge » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:01 pm

It seems to me that the most reasonable expectation for a pick in the 20-25 range is a career backup. Seeing as how we already have plenty of career backups at both guard spots, I'd rather go for a big who could replace Foyle and/or Cook. I would tend to be happy with any of R Lopez, Hansbrough, Hibbert, or Thabeet.

Also, I think the Reddick-Hansbrough comparison is somewhat oversimplified. I think Hans is closer to a Varejao type, which wouldn't be such a bad thing to bring off the bench on this team.
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Post#52 » by mattyBoi » Thu Apr 3, 2008 6:18 pm

Roberts is my pick also...Although i would try a mold him for the SF spot

Hes very solid though...You dont make the All-American 1st team by being average
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Post#53 » by oakfanintheeast » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:09 pm

if orlando ever drafted hands, i'd have a hard time rooting for a team whose GM puts them in a terrible position to improve.

I love Hibbert, people dog him, but he plays in a system thats very guard oriented. Orlando might be too up and down for him, thats why Thabeet might be suited better for orlando. orlando would be best suited to move up to top 10, maybe dangling redick.

my wishlist in order would be:

1. Westbrook
2. Batum
3. Collison

Bigs

1. Griffin
2. Randolph
3. Greene( but he's too soft and doesn't bang, but he's Durant-esque)

I'd steer clear of Augustine( see: jameer nelson) and im not sure i trust love in the nba, but orlando probably won't be near him unless the move up.
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Post#54 » by theTHIEF » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:14 pm

Randolph isnt much of a big really and he's another one of those LSU projects...he's a bit more offensively polished than most...but I see him having trouble bodying up...he needs to stay in school IMO...
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Post#55 » by oakfanintheeast » Thu Apr 3, 2008 8:17 pm

i think he'll stay too, but his upside is crazy high . even though thats something otis does not like.
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Post#56 » by spinedoc » Thu Apr 3, 2008 11:28 pm

I don't see a sg in the first round that can help us much. There are really only two that are big time scorers in college and they are both undersized (Mayo and Gordon), and out of our range anyway. Batum is intriguing but another foreign player in the first round is not an option for us. There is depth at the position though, but for the second round. Roberts is ok, and he has good size, but the first round is probably too high for him. Nobody is there that can unseat Evans or even Bogans as our starter next year. I'd rather use the mle on one this summer.

Guys that I like in the second round, if we go that route, are Brandon Rush, Roberts, Courtney Lee, Richard Roby, and Shan Foster. Personally, I'd like to trade up and get a guy like Collison or Weaver in the first. Then go for a rebounder in the second round, someone like Sasha Kaun or Taj Gibson would be nice. I also like a couple of the big men from Louisville if they come out. Its a tough call and there are a lot of different ways we can go, but I like the idea of a pg in the first, big man in the second, and using the mle on a sg the best.
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Post#57 » by Cammo101 » Thu Apr 3, 2008 11:53 pm

spinedoc wrote:I don't see a sg in the first round that can help us much. There are really only two that are big time scorers in college and they are both undersized (Mayo and Gordon), and out of our range anyway. Batum is intriguing but another foreign player in the first round is not an option for us. There is depth at the position though, but for the second round. Roberts is ok, and he has good size, but the first round is probably too high for him. Nobody is there that can unseat Evans or even Bogans as our starter next year. I'd rather use the mle on one this summer.

Guys that I like in the second round, if we go that route, are Brandon Rush, Roberts, Courtney Lee, Richard Roby, and Shan Foster. Personally, I'd like to trade up and get a guy like Collison or Weaver in the first. Then go for a rebounder in the second round, someone like Sasha Kaun or Taj Gibson would be nice. I also like a couple of the big men from Louisville if they come out. Its a tough call and there are a lot of different ways we can go, but I like the idea of a pg in the first, big man in the second, and using the mle on a sg the best.


A Hibbert/Collison and Shan Foster draft would make me forgive all the previous bad drafts. All 3 of those guys are money.
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Post#58 » by mattyBoi » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:05 am

We have no second round pick
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Post#59 » by TooNice00 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:08 am

it says we do on nbadraft.net
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Post#60 » by Cammo101 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:13 am

We don't have one, but we can get one for cash if we really want one. And we should want one, because we will likely have more free agents leaving that free agents coming in.

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