I honestly think we will replace Powe with Hibbert

P2 · Post #1 » by P2 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:09 am

I think he is going to be traded this off-season along with our #30 pick for a pick in the #13-17 range (+fillers, if necessary), in order to get Roy Hibbert.

Powe plays hard and really thrives as of late, but you can really find more of that kind. You won't find a 7'2", 280 lbs center who has spent all 4 years in college too often. Within 2 years at most, we will have a center who is better than Perk is now.

Additionally, Danny and Doc want players who can contribute right away, and unless we find a trade for a veteran, I think this is the right solution. He would be able to play 15 backup minutes right away.

Powe and Davis together is just too small, and always searching for a veteran C to sign in the off-season also isn't right. You can always find veteran (or quality) role players at the 2 and 3, so there is really no need to draft one of those.

I also think we are showcasing Powe right now, and by now, everybody should know that he is a good backup 4. Coincidentally, we cash in on Powe's contributions. So why not play him on a championship team and raise his value by a lot?

I think we can't let that chance slip. We must get Hibbert. I'm pretty sure we can take the best out of him with our current characters and Clifford Ray as big man coach.

cfan79 · Post #2 » by **cfan79** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:20 am

Not a bad idea, it is possible. I love how Powe has been playing lately, but his trade value might never be higher. This would allow Baby to play his more natural position of power forward.

P2 · Post #3 » by P2 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:26 am

Exactly. We need Baby to blossom next season. He some some really nice potential.

cfan79 · Post #4 » by **cfan79** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:27 am

The question that has to be asked though is whether Hibbert is worth it. If he turns out to be a total flop that would stink because we gave a pick and Powe who has been unbelievable lately.

GreenGrizz · Post #5 » by **GreenGrizz** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:31 am

I wouldn't mess with Powe. He is turning into a David Wes modet. Hibbert moves like Mark Blount.

P2 · Post #6 » by P2 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:33 am

We might as well go with Thabeet, but we wouldn't have to trade up so far. We would also get something in return with him.

And Hibbert had a good game against Oden in the 2007 Final Four and was really able to compete with him. So if everybody says Oden is going to be a beast next season, I feel really good about Hibbert.

If we want overall game, we trade for Hibbert. If we want strictly defense, we trade for Thabeet.

P2 · Post #7 » by P2 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:35 am

GreenGrizz wrote:I wouldn't mess with Powe. He is turning into a David Wes modet. Hibbert moves like Mark Blount.

Hibbert is about 5 inches taller than Powe. You can't teach height. And if you want Big Baby to be a good player, you must let go of Powe. His trade value will never be higher.

Post #8 » by **canman1971** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 10:36 am

Powe is not going anywhere. Especially for a stiff like Hibbert, who by all accounts isn't that all thrilled about the game of basketball. I'll take Powe any day over him. And Thabeet is equally as useless.

LongTimeFan · Post #9 » by **LongTimeFan** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:03 am

I think DA has demonstrated the expression should be you can't coach reach. Powe's reach is 9' 2". He's not short by any account for a back up center or for a starting PF.

That said, I have no problem packaging him with our pick to move up. DA has been doing this since he has gotten here. This is the way we leverage his eye for talent. I also think center is the position that needs addressing over the long term.

John Locke · Post #10 » by **John Locke** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:04 am

There have been plenty of big guys that have the same story as Hibbert. Problem is, we forget those guys, because they cannot play at a high level. Names like Sean Rooks (who maybe started out good but faded quickly), Stanley Roberts, Eric Montross, Todd MacCulloch, Adonal Foyle (who was a beast in college), Ervin Johnson...I could go on.

It's true that height can't be taught. Well, it's not possible to teach talent either. And I'll take talented players over tall players every day.

P2 · Post #11 » by P2 » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:09 am

John Locke wrote:It's true that height can't be taught. Well, it's not possible to teach talent either. And I'll take talented players over tall players every day.

Who said Hibbert isn't talented? He said a very soft touch around the hoop and is literally unblockable. He will get his shot in the NBA, as well. And he's shooting at a very high percentage. He's got the post-up moves as well, and a high basketball IQ. Besides hustle and strength, I really don't know what else is mentionable about Powe.

Post #12 » by **canman1971** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:15 am

P2 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Who said Hibbert isn't talented? He said a very soft touch around the hoop and is literally unblockable. He will get his shot in the NBA, as well. And he's shooting at a very high percentage. He's got the post-up moves as well, and a high basketball IQ. Besides hustle and strength, I really don't know what else is mentionable about Powe.

Talent is more than height and weight. If fact, he has gotten worse since he last year. He would have been a lotto pick and now, he will be in the 20s and a bust. He has no heart for the game, which means he'll get killed in the NBA. If he has all those things you claim, why did he have such a awful year? And for Powe, hustle and strength are his greatest assets for this team, but he was a 20/10 guy in college, triple of Hibbert. He can score, certainly has soft hands around the hoop and given the chance, can shoot the 10-15 foot jumper. Also, he can defend quite well.

John Locke · Post #13 » by **John Locke** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:20 am

And if we were going to be real about this, let's just put it this way. There is no chance that a 7"2 guy who can play stays 4 years in college. If he was talented he would've gone into the league 3 years ago.

BillessuR6 · Post #14 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:24 am

Who cares if someone is 7 feet. You need a player who can play not just someone who is tall.

Hibbert is slow and I don`t know about his motivation. Thabeet looks like he doesn`t care about basketball. I have seen him a bit and wasn`t impressed.

With Leon I know he will give everything he has every single night! He is a perfect role player, on and off the court. A guy every coach and team needs. All I hear on this board is how he can easily be replaced. Maybe his production on the court but there is a lot more to a player than just that.

And I can`t believe how someone who watches this team can say Leon is only hustle and strength. I think we have all seen in the last few months that he is a very good defensive player, he has a great wingspan and that he is good finisher offensively. He even started to hit that mid range jumper on occasion.

We need to keep Leon on this team not get rid off him.

Jammer · Post #15 » by **Jammer** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 11:27 am

I would have thought that Glen Davis would be the one offered around, not Powe.

After all, seconds after getting Davis last June he was reportedly packaged with Brian Scalabrine and being shopped.

BillessuR6 · Post #16 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:09 pm

Jammer wrote:I would have thought that Glen Davis would be the one offered around, not Powe.

After all, seconds after getting Davis last June he was reportedly packaged with Brian Scalabrine and being shopped.

I agree that out of the two, Davis is the one who would and should be offered in trades.

But where did you here that he and Scal were being shoped in June?

John Locke · Post #17 » by **John Locke** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:10 pm

Jammer wrote:I would have thought that Glen Davis would be the one offered around, not Powe.

After all, seconds after getting Davis last June he was reportedly packaged with Brian Scalabrine and being shopped.

After all, reportedly, you still need to give us a link when you say things like this...

Celtics_85 · Post #18 » by **Celtics_85** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 12:16 pm

I'd sign Patrick O'Bryant before I took Hibbert. O'Bryant is much more athletic than Hibbert, he just didn't fit in with the Warriors scheme of things. Perk is our starter and this guy would be a good backup.

Red2 · Post #19 » by **Red2** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 1:07 pm

I don't see that at all. If anything I could see them trading big baby even though I love him. Powe has clearly won the back up PF spot which leaves Baby as the 3rd PF or backup center. HIbbert to me is too slow. we are already an aging team with a slow center in perkins. why would you want to add a stiff like hibbert? I would rather see us get bigger and faster as opposed to bigger and slower

Zin5 · Post #20 » by **Zin5** » Fri Apr 4, 2008 1:09 pm

Celtics_85 wrote:I'd sign Patrick O'Bryant before I took Hibbert. O'Bryant is much more athletic than Hibbert, he just didn't fit in with the Warriors scheme of things. Perk is our starter and this guy would be a good backup.

I agree with this. Unless Powe explodes in the playoffs and his trade value becomes worth a top ten pick or something like that (meaning we could steal someonel like Deandre Jordan), then you just don't mess with something that works. He's been great off the bench, brings so much energy, and seems to be the only one off the bench now that forces it inside for when our shot isn't falling..

Just sign O'Bryant, he's got a lot of potential still and if he doesn't pan out, then oh well, we didn't really give anything up for him besides a roster spot and a bit of money. Hibbert worries me, because he seems pretty likely to bust, and the limited potential as probably a serviceable starting center isn't really worth taking that risk.