Friday 04/04/2008 - Game Thread

[LLcoleJ]

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Yes

There has been games where Lamar has gone 7-10 from the field and because he misses that 11th attempt with 2 minutes remaining in the game, fans will say trade him because he did not finish 8-11. It's funny sometimes.

Well done B-Scott, way to always miss the point of Laker fans on Lamar.

[B-Scott]

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Well done B-Scott, way to always miss the point of Laker fans on Lamar.

My mistake. Some Laker fans. Not all

I know your not like that Phil so i apologize for saying Laker fans

Just some

[EHL]

I've never seen this version of LO in any game before, playoffs or otherwise. Certainly not in a game that mattered and that ended in actual victory. This version of LO is exactly the type that wins games, **** the empty stats version. This is the aggression that has to show up every night when teams are doubling down on Gasol and Kobe. Dive hard, make quick, controlled drives to the basket off the dribble, etc. If he ever brings a jumper to the playoffs, man it's going to be fun to watch.

[RobertGlory]

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Behind Paul? You're kidding. Just joking. I'd rate him over Peja for sure. Peja does one thing well. It's up for debate between West and Odom. Odom would no doubt see his ppg go up a little due to Paul's incredible playmaking. Look what he's done for Tyson I have no offensive game whatsoever Chandler.

peja does one thing well, but he does it so well, better than anything lamar does.

he's either demanded enough attention to open things up for paul or he's been an open sniper who can change games. he's hit big shot after big shot this year. don't forget the hornets started off great last year before peja got hurt

[Ballings7]

Big win for Philly - the two Andre's getting it done once again, 30 pts and 10 ast for Iggy... don't see Philly being an easy out in the 1st round.

Quality team win by the Lakers - Odom, Kobe, Vujacic, Pau all played strong games... especially Odom. I love how he's fit into his role this season, even before the Gasol trade because of Bynum. Fun player to watch. Surprised Dallas blew this one... they had things set-up.

[Suns_Fever]

As always the Spurs put up 65 points. Their offense is just ugly, ive never seen a team play that bad offensively. They're just lucky they can play lock down defense otherwise they wouldnt even win 25 games a season.

[Rox_Nix_Nox]

Peja will choke in playoff time. Although he is a great shooter.

[B-Scott]

Lamar has proven to be a better playoff player then Peja

Regular season it's impossible to predict. Both have there advantages

I brought up in my last post Lamar would be very effective on pick and rolls with Chris Paul.

[Ballings7]

peja does one thing well, but he does it so well, better than anything lamar does.

I'll take Lamar's stand-out versatility over Peja's shooting ability. I like both players, but like Odom's game more.

[kno]

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My mistake. Some Laker fans. Not all

I know your not like that Phil so i apologize for saying Laker fans

Just some

Funny, how you missed the point of Phil's post you quoted too.

[kno]

is Lamar Odom the least appreciated player by his own team fans?
Only other guy i can think of is Amare....

You mean teh same guy some people call the "Black Jesus"?

That Amare?

[MT1983]

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peja does one thing well, but he does it so well, better than anything lamar does.

he's either demanded enough attention to open things up for paul or he's been an open sniper who can change games. he's hit big shot after big shot this year. don't forget the hornets started off great last year before peja got hurt

Peja is utterly worthless if his outside shot isn't falling. Odom can go 0 for 10 and still get me 15 boards and 5 dimes. I agree that Peja's strength (3-point shooting) trumps any one thing Odom does best. But I'd rather have the guy that can impact the game in multiple ways.

[Kweli]

is Lamar Odom the least appreciated player by his own team fans?
Only other guy i can think of is Amare....

No, Lamar is just lucky enough to have his own cult follower on realgm, who can annoy other Laker fans enough to have it affect him negatively on the board.

[Basileus777]

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Peja is utterly worthless if his outside shot isn't falling. Odom can go 0 for 10 and still get me 15 boards and 5 dimes. I agree that Peja's strength (3-point shooting) trumps any one thing Odom does best. But I'd rather have the guy that can impact the game in multiple ways.

It depends on what you need. Odom couldn't fill Peja's role in NO, he would kill their spacing at the SF spot. The Hornets don't need another rebounder with West and Chandler. Odom could take West's spot, but he really shouldn't be compared to Peja, they don't really play the same position.

[Suns_Fever]

Peja has been proven a winner usually makes the playoffs and goes far, what has Lamar Odom proved so far?

[B-Scott]

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Funny, how you missed the point of Phil's post you quoted too.

Lets look at the points you missed with Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant

Paul gets inside the paint a lot more then Kobe. Its not even close and this is not a knock on Kobe. Chris Paul can simply get inside the free throw line area more then Kobe and more then any other player in the NBA. He's 6-1, cat quick and even if you double team at off that screen at the top of the key, he still finds a way to get inside the paint.

This ability alone would help Lamar get more layups, and 1's, dunks playing with Chris Paul,then with Kobe. That 14 and 20 average would most likely be 18 to 10 points a game. Remember Paul is a PG.

I can make a argument that Lamar actually plays better with Pau Gaso,the with Kobe.

Imagine Gasol, Lamar and Chris Paul. Considering Paul gets inside the paint a lot more then Kobe.

Chris Paul would average 15 assist with this Laker team

[B-Scott]

Peja has been proven a winner usually makes the playoffs and goes far, what has Lamar Odom proved so far?

How is Peja a proven winner?

Lamar is a better playoff player

2006 - 20 points 11 rebounds

2007 - 19 points 13 rebounds

Please dont come with the excuse it was against Shawn Marion

Peja would not drop that against Marion

[JDawg]

Lamar Odom is a better overall player than Peja.

But what you people forget all the time is TEAM FIT. MY LORD.

And as for West. GMAB.

West is MUCH better and much more consistent than Odom.

Jeesh, we are riding Odom's nutsack over a 31 and 11 game where he MAY HAVE BEEN player of the game. I say May, because down the stretch it was Kobe's playmaking and getting doubled 40 feet from the basket that made it all happen.

West has 30 and 10 every second game man....its become so routine no one even talks about it.

And as far as Paul making Odom score more etc, im sorry thats just wrong.

You think a Paul, Odom pick and roll is better than a Kobe, Odom pick and roll. HELL NO. NO one gets doubled and trapped on P and R more than Kobe man.

The issue is that many times it ends up as a pick and pop. The guy screening MUST be able to take nad make a 15-18 footer consistently OR drive to the hoop.

West can do both well. Odom only one of those.

So stop riding Odom's jock over ONE GOOD game, when West has these games seemingly nightly now and gets the ball in ISO's against some of the best defenders this league has to offer.

When Odom scores 37 and 15 agasint KG and the Celtics and leads his team's comeback while the team's best player is on the bench, THEN COME and talk to me!!!!

[JDawg]

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Actually NO Paul would NOT average 15 assists for hte lakers because PJ runs somethign called the TRiangle offense which dictates ball movemetn and multipel players with the ball making plays.

The hornets emply Paul to handle the ball more and run pick and roll mainly eveyr time down the floor.

The lakers do not. Otherwise, if Kobe wanted, he could get IN the paint and draw MORE attention doing so than Chris Paul EVER could and the fact that you even debate that point shows you donw know as much about the game as I thought you did.

[B-Scott]

Lets break down what would happen with Lamar on the Hornets. Lets be fair here,you can't eliminate Peja and West. Thats not fair. The argument is if you replaced EITHER with Lamar. Lets say you replaced David West with Lamar.

Lamar sets the screen and rolls. Chris Paul as always gets inside the paint and delivers the pass to Lamar. Thats a layup or dunk all day long.

If the SF decides to try and cheat off his man and help out, Lamar has no problem kicking out to Peja for the 3.

If the center position decides to help out,then Tyson Chandler is wide open for a dunk. Lamar is a better passer then David West,so he will see this opening if Tyson's man comes to help out on Lamar when he rolls to the basket.

If the SF or C on defense decides to stay on there man and not cheat,then Lamar has a easy layup or dunk.

The Lakers do not run pick and rolls with Lamar and Kobe and even if they did, Kobe can not execute a pick and roll like Chris Paul. This is not a knock on Kobe, but Paul is a true PG. The best PG since Magic Johnson.

Hornets would be a better rebounding team with Lamar and i see Peja ending up for more wide open 3's because Lamar is always looking to kick to the open shooter when he's inside the paint.