Say hello to your #1 pick in the 2008 NBA Draft....

[SpeedyG]

A franchise big,either at PF or Center is more important than a franchise PG. Thats why teams rarely pick PG's #1. I just don't see it happening.
I can see Lopez or Beasley easily getting picked ahead of Rose.
Heck Chris Paul dropped to 4th, Rose can easily drop to 2 or even 3

I suppose that's true. Doesn't mean it should be the case though. I'm sure Atlanta and Milwaukee would turn back clock in a HEARTBEAT to give up Williams and Bogut for either Paul or Deron.

[Super Bad]

I think that point guards are just more valuable in the NBA, look at the best point gurads in the NBA they are all on good teams (Parker, Paul, Williams, & Nash) also with Rose he has the body and quickest to defend any type of point guard something Nash & Paul can't do.

[Klomp]

All I see in Beasley is Shareef Abdur Rahim. Decent player who averages 20/10, but never on a winning team, isn't a superstar, and doesn't make his teammates better.

[randomhero423]

stars are most important in the NBA. case closed.

[Worm Guts]

Rose is the better fit in Miami. They need a PG a heck of a lot more than they need another big man. Marion and Haslem are both PF's, either of the 2 or Beasley are gonna play center. Kepp Marion, draft Rose and a Rose, Wade, Marion combo would be sick.

Marion is more a small forward and he doesn't create offense inside the way Beasley does.

[Gilles]

All I see in Beasley is Shareef Abdur Rahim. Decent player who averages 20/10, but never on a winning team, isn't a superstar, and doesn't make his teammates better.

I also thought of this comparison but Beasley is massively superior in terms of rebounding and athleticism-strength-weight combo.

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I think that point guards are just more valuable in the NBA, look at the best point gurads in the NBA they are all on good teams (Parker, Paul, Williams, & Nash) also with Rose he has the body and quickest to defend any type of point guard something Nash & Paul can't do.

3 of those 4 PGs you named aren't the most efficient players on their team. The PFs are.


And we all know it takes two to win an NBA title. The point of letting Beasley be that 1 is he is more likely to live up to the star billing.


Rose has the potential, but he also has more flaws in his game that are not guaranteed to be refined.


Beasley without even refining his skills that much could be a star

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Beasley doesn't have that strength and athleticism combination that Amare has. He's a very quick player, but he'll struggle for awhile going against the real physical defenders inside. I think he'll benefit a little bit more from the additional spacing in the NBA game, but I think for a PF whose game is going to be predicated on the midrange game, he's not going to be all that efficient if he's asked to score 25 ppg.

Secondly, the only PF's imo that have played at a superstar level in the recent past have been KG and TD, and Elton Brand for that one year. There's been some other great PF seasons like Dirk last year and Amare this year, but neither bring much on the defensive end, and I think the same will hold for Beasley.

Again you have not watched Amare develop this season if you don't think he has improved defensively. He is a helluva lot better.

In fact I was selling him short. He's the 2nd most efficient player in the entire league this year. He's improved vastly at contesting shots this year. He is nearly averaging 10 RPG for the first time in his career.

He is a much more complete player. He may not be an 1st team All-NBA defender, but the idea that you have to be THAT good a defender just to be considered a superstar IMO is fallacious.

Just don't be a liability defensively which Amare doesn't look like anymore.


Beasley is incredibly strong for a 19 year old kid and has the frame to add even more weight. If there is a defender too physical for him to power, he can beat him with finesse. Im telling you guys this guy is going to be a nightmare to defend. I can't wait to revisit these threads

[Klomp]

Did you watch Amare get tore apart by Al Jefferson, someone you all think is average? 32/20, 27/14, and 39/15.


Amare may be a "star", but he certainly isn't a "superstar". I would consider Jefferson a "superstar" before I would Amare.

[Worm Guts]

Did you watch Amare get tore apart by Al Jefferson, someone you all think is average? 32/20, 27/14, and 39/15.


Amare may be a "star", but he certainly isn't a "superstar". I would consider Jefferson a "superstar" before I would Amare.

First of all, no. Amare is the best offensive big man in the game. Secondly, who called Al Jefferson average.

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Again you have not watched Amare develop this season if you don't think he has improved defensively. He is a helluva lot better.

In fact I was selling him short. He's the 2nd most efficient player in the entire league this year. He's improved vastly at contesting shots this year. He is nearly averaging 10 RPG for the first time in his career.

He is a much more complete player. He may not be an 1st team All-NBA defender, but the idea that you have to be THAT good a defender just to be considered a superstar IMO is fallacious.

Just don't be a liability defensively which Amare doesn't look like anymore.


Beasley is incredibly strong for a 19 year old kid and has the frame to add even more weight. If there is a defender too physical for him to power, he can beat him with finesse. Im telling you guys this guy is going to be a nightmare to defend. I can't wait to revisit these threads

Amare has improved defnesively, but he's still an average defender at best, which is incredibly frustrating if you're a fan of his b/c of his potential on defense with his size, strength and athleticism.

As for offensively, he benefits greatly from not only playing that fast system and with Steve nash, but also due to the fact that Shaq's on that team now. His stats have gone up significantly with O'Neal on the team providing another legitimate threat inside. No other premier big in the league has anyone close to as good as Shaq playing next to them, and no one gets setup for more easy buckets with the exception of maybe Chandler.

Again, all this I'm saying isn't a slight to Amare or Beasley. As I've said before, even after Rose's tournament performance, I'd pick Beasley number 1, regardless of who I have on my team. But just don't expect him to be in that upper eschelon of pf's.

[Doctor MJ]

3 of those 4 PGs you named aren't the most efficient players on their team. The PFs are.

Maybe I'm missing something here. I personally wouldn't consider efficiency to be the end all be all of offensive effectivenss. My opinion is that it's basically a prereq for a power forward to be a lot better at scoring than a point guard if he's going to be the more valuable offensive player since the point guard is vastly more important almost all the time in the rest of the offensive game. If there's room for debate on scoring, then there's probably no room for debate overall.

[Doctor MJ]

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I don't think people question his potential. They question his ability to reach his potential.

I think a good comparison his is AI or even Shaq. Iverson is an amazing physical speciman and talen. But he was so intent on doing things his way that he never listened to anyone. Did he accomplish some nice things in his career yes, but I'll be damned if he actually reached his potential. If you throw his final fluke appearance out you have the resume of guy who missed the playoffs an awful lot of times. I think thats what people see in Beasley and why I even suggest a guy like Lopez or Love should go ahead of him.

So do I think others will be the offensive talent that Beasley is, no but I do think they would be able to bring their positives without bringing the same negatives. Just go look back at the 1996 draft, there are a lot of guys whose careers you would take over Iverson's.

http://nbadraft.net/1996.htm

Interesting. I would tend to look at the ability to become a great distributer, leader, etc to be talents in and of themselves, but if we wanted to split the difference and say Iverson's brain held him back I'd be fine with that.

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Again, all this I'm saying isn't a slight to Amare or Beasley. As I've said before, even after Rose's tournament performance, I'd pick Beasley number 1, regardless of who I have on my team. But just don't expect him to be in that upper eschelon of pf's.

Just curious who you consider the upper echelon of PFs and explain to me how a guy who's the 2nd most efficient player in the entire league isn't part of it.

BTW, Amare was top 5 even before the Shaq trade while playing out of position.

[DanTown8587]

If I were the Heat, you take Rose. Why? He is a better PG than Beasley is a better PF. Plus with Wade's injury concerns, I don't think passing on a PG is wise. Rose can take a lot of pressure off Wade and I think a team with a Rose/Wade nucleus is better off than a Beasley/Wade combo.

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If I were the Heat, you take Rose. Why? He is a better PG than Beasley is a better PF. Plus with Wade's injury concerns, I don't think passing on a PG is wise. Rose can take a lot of pressure off Wade and I think a team with a Rose/Wade nucleus is better off than a Beasley/Wade combo.

Beasley is such a better fit for Miami it's not even funny.

Miami's biggest weakness right now is post play which is Beasley's biggest forte.

The way he and Marion compliment each other with a guard like Wade makes a helluva lot more sense than getting another 6'4/6'5 player in the Wade mold.


They don't need another playmaker in the post. They need some inside scoring.

[Cammo101]

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While either would help a lot. I would say Miami's biggest need is at PG. With JWill leaving, Miami has no one at PG.

[miamiballer]

we could easily sign one in FA and we need 3 pt shooting from that position anyway

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While either would help a lot. I would say Miami's biggest need is at PG. With JWill leaving, Miami has no one at PG.

They don't need a playmaker at the PG.

Kind of like Cleveland with Lebron James even though he's a small forward. They just need shooting from the PG spot.

Even more is the case when you consider Wade is actually a guard.


Why in the world would they need another playmaking guard in the backcourt with Wade?

They need someone who can stretch the defense and shoot 3s.


Inside scoring by Beasley would be a far more useful asset than another 6'4/ 6'5 playmaking guard


Look at how teams are composed in the league. Almost all teams with a playmaker at the 2 compliment that player with a shooter at the PG, not another playmaker

[richboy]

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I agree with you. Rose and Wade don't compliment each other at all. Defensively it would be great but offensively your likely going to force Rose to play a role that doesn't showcase his skills. Miami would be better off taking Beasley. If Wade is healthy you can play a stiff like DAmon Jones next to him and almost make the finals.

Just for note the only reason Amare is playing better defense now is because of Shaq. One of the reasons the Marion trade had to be made was because Amare was flat out horrible on defense at the C spot. Your not making any all-defense teams when the PF or C are doing this.

http://www.82games.com/0708/07PHO15C.HTM