Would have been Rudy Fernandez TOP 5 pick this draft?

cdcastellon1 · Post #1 » by **cdcastellon1** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 8:12 pm

Some of you don

ponder276 · Post #2 » by **ponder276** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 8:24 pm

Extremely hard to say if he should have gone top 5, considering we haven't seen him in the NBA yet.

Even still, I'd say he's almost certainly not gonna be better than:
Oden
Durant
Horford

And could easily be below:
Conley
Green
Yi
Brandan Wright
Noah
Hawes
Thad
Al Thornton
Nick Young
Critt
Landry
Big Baby
etc.

I do really like his game though. Reminds me of Kevin Martin/Richard Hamilton. Should be a very nice backup to Brandon Roy.

Goldbum · Post #3 » by **Goldbum** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 8:48 pm

ponder276 wrote:Extremely hard to say if he should have gone top 5, considering we haven't seen him in the NBA yet.

Even still, I'd say he's almost certainly not gonna be better than:
Oden
Durant
Horford

And could easily be below:
Conley
Green
Yi
Brandan Wright
Noah
Hawes
Thad
Al Thornton
Nick Young
Critt
Landry
Big Baby
etc.

I do really like his game though. Reminds me of Kevin Martin/Richard Hamilton. Should be a very nice backup to Brandon Roy.

He's asking if he would go top 5 in 08 not 07. As a Blazer I want to say yes, he's a much better prospect than Danillo Gallinari who is 5-8 in most mock drafts.

ponder276 · Post #4 » by **ponder276** » Sun Apr 6, 2008 9:23 pm

Goldbum wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

He's asking if he would go top 5 in 08 not 07. As a Blazer I want to say yes, he's a much better prospect than Danillo Gallinari who is 5-8 in most mock drafts.

Ah never mind.
Anyways, I really don't think Gallinari is going to go top 5 - pretty much everyone has the top 5 as Beasley, Rose, Mayo, Lopez and Bayless (though not necessarily in that order).
Rudy would likely be a top 10 pick in 2007 or 2008 though. Also, Rudy is putting up better numbers than Danilo, but he also just turned 23, whereas Gallinari is only 19.

john2jer · Post #5 » by **john2jer** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:32 am

Being completely honest, 95% of the time when I watch youtube clips of players over-seas, I end up thinking, "big deal, so what". Rudy looks phenomenal here, though. Can't wait to see him next year.

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blazersmaniac8 · Post #6 » by **blazersmaniac8** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:53 am

I LOVE that clip especially at the 2:50 mark when rudy runs into the opposing coach and shoves him on his way up the court haha. I'd say top 10 and I'm EXTREMELY excited to see him but as with all europeans its not a given his game will carry over to the nba but till than I can dream.

Toxicity · Post #7 » by **Toxicity** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 8:54 am

ponder276 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Ah never mind.
Anyways, I really don't think Gallinari is going to go top 5 - pretty much everyone has the top 5 as Beasley, Rose, Mayo, Lopez and Bayless (though not necessarily in that order).
Rudy would likely be a top 10 pick in 2007 or 2008 though. Also, Rudy is putting up better numbers than Danilo, but he also just turned 23, whereas Gallinari is only 19.

Danilo is leading the Italian League in efficiency (22.1 per game), he's 6th in scoring (17.8 ppg) and he is 2nd in fouls drawn (6.5 per game)... his stats so far: 17.8 ppg (50% from 2 - 40% from 3 - 88% FT), 5.6 rpg, 1.8 spg and 1.4 apg... not bad considering his age (not 19 yet)... of course he's a better prospect than Rudy... he's 6-10 with the ball-handling of a PG... and i think he'll go in the Top 5 anyway...

p.s.= Rudy numbers are impressive, i admit it... and i like him.

Post #8 » by **revprodeji** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 5:04 pm

Danilo is a much better prospect. Also consider that Rudy is getting breast feed from the best PG prospect for next years draft in Rubio.

Post #9 » by **BFRESH44** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 5:55 pm

BMiller52 · Post #10 » by **BMiller52** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:37 pm

No chance.

Apollo64 · Post #11 » by **Apollo64** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:09 pm

blazersmaniac8 wrote:I LOVE that clip especially at the 2:50 mark when rudy runs into the opposing coach and shoves him on his way up the court haha. I'd say top 10 and I'm EXTREMELY excited to see him but as with all europeans its not a given his game will carry over to the nba but till than I can dream.

I think that Rudy is one of the few European prospects that has a game tailor-made for the NBA. He would thrive in a run'n'gun system, but he is not bad in halfcourt either. If he was in this year's draft, i agree he would go Top 10.

deeney0 · Post #12 » by **deeney0** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 8:03 pm

I think he'd fall out of the lotto.

Apollo64 · Post #13 » by **Apollo64** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:06 am

I just watched the YouTube video linked above and the shot at 3:32 is possibly the most crazy shot i've ever seen, we are talking Larry Bird crazy. Check it out if you haven't already.

Apollo64 · Post #14 » by **Apollo64** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:08 am

Oh and i think the Kevin Martin comparison is spot on.

HotelVitale · Post #15 » by **HotelVitale** » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:56 pm

Fernandez definitely doesn't touch the top 5 this year. I live in Europe, and I know how Americans can underrate Euro players, but the level of athleticism in Euro leagues is miles below that of the NBA. No comparison.
Fernandez is closer to a JJ Reddick-type shooter than to a create-his-own-shot guy like Arenas. He runs around and tries to find little openings to get his shots off, and he's extremely good at getting off shots in close quarters. But those openings are so much harder to get to in the NBA with its athletes at every position and its far superior help defense. Rip Hamilton makes a great living off of a quick release and incredible mid-range shooting, but he's also faster, quicker, and more athletic than Fernandez, and everyone knows how hard he can work for those little curl-flip jumpers.
And Kevin Martin is taller, longer, has a quicker and higher release, and is also more athletic than Fernandez. He has quick hands, very quick reflexes, and plays at a very high speed. (Rip and KMArt are really underrated as athletes. Check it out next time you're watching their teams.)

I'm wondering why people are considering even Fernandez as a potential top 5 pick; is there any reason to think him a better prospect than Deflino (a better pentetrator, although not always the smartest player) or a shooter-type like Rashad McCants (a much better athlete, if again sometimes a bonehead)?

PDXKnight · Post #16 » by **PDXKnight** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:44 am

If Rudy's as special as European teams seem to think, he'd be a top 10 pick.

BarTolo · Post #17 » by **BarTolo** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:30 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Fernandez definitely doesn't touch the top 5 this year. I live in Europe, and I know how Americans can underrate Euro players, but the level of athleticism in Euro leagues is miles below that of the NBA. No comparison.
Fernandez is closer to a JJ Reddick-type shooter than to a create-his-own-shot guy like Arenas. He runs around and tries to find little openings to get his shots off, and he's extremely good at getting off shots in close quarters. But those openings are so much harder to get to in the NBA with its athletes at every position and its far superior help defense. Rip Hamilton makes a great living off of a quick release and incredible mid-range shooting, but he's also faster, quicker, and more athletic than Fernandez, and everyone knows how hard he can work for those little curl-flip jumpers.
And Kevin Martin is taller, longer, has a quicker and higher release, and is also more athletic than Fernandez. He has quick hands, very quick reflexes, and plays at a very high speed. (Rip and KMArt are really underrated as athletes. Check it out next time you're watching their teams.)

I'm wondering why people are considering even Fernandez as a potential top 5 pick; is there any reason to think him a better prospect than Deflino (a better pentetrator, although not always the smartest player) or a shooter-type like Rashad McCants (a much better athlete, if again sometimes a bonehead)?

Of course he is.

Post #18 » by **UGA Hayes** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:14 pm

From the videos I have seen Rudy looks more athletic than Rip.

Jose · Post #19 » by **Jose** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:28 pm

HotelVitale wrote:Fernandez is closer to a JJ Reddick-type shooter than to a create-his-own-shot guy like Arenas. He runs around and tries to find little openings to get his shots off, and he's extremely good at getting off shots in close quarters.

Well, basically you haven't watched Rudy's games, just highlights. JJ Redick's is not a good comparison at all. Rudy Fern

Post #20 » by **Spykes** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:49 am

Top 5 seems a bit high, but Top 10 perhaps. I know Kevin Pritchard has said on a number of occasions that Rudy would have been a Top 10 Pick had he come out this year instead of last year.

deeney0 wrote:I think he'd fall out of the lotto.

A big reason why he slipped so far last season was because of his contract situation. This year, with the contract situation solved and his MVP level play for his team, I can't imagine any way would have fallen out of the lotto.