Moving Harrington in the offseason

[bill curley II]

Det would never do that, trading two bigs for a backup SF and a guy that would barely ever play. Without Maxiell and Dice, I think they have Amir Johnson as a starter then with no dependable backup. Stuckey's done fine as a rookie and should develop into a good player, so no need for buike.

[St.Nick]

Harrington and Pietrus for CV (2 years/11M) and Desmond Mason.

I would love to see Harrington and Pietrus finally "getting theirs" on a crap team like Milwaukee. Lots of personal ppg, not many wins. Seems like the perfect place for these guys.

On the flipside, CV at PF and Des Mason as backup SF would be a couple of nice additions. Even if Des cant shoot outside 15 feet and CV plays defense about as often as he shaves.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Warriors cannot trade Pietrus any longr unless it is a sign & trade. Sign & trades are usually not done if the player signs for less than the MLE. The other team could just sign him outright if they wanted him since W's have no more matching rights on MP.

[St.Nick]

Warriors cannot trade Pietrus any longr unless it is a sign & trade. Sign & trades are usually not done if the player signs for less than the MLE. The other team could just sign him outright if they wanted him since W's have no more matching rights on MP.

If Pietrus was not receiving better offers and if Milwaukee wanted to deal for Harrington (with GS wanting Villanueva and Mason) then a sign and trade could be viable.

The question is, what kind of contract will Pietrus be getting this offseason? The full MLE hardly seems likely.

[Dam]

bargs+kapono for harrington...
is a good trade for GS.

kapono in the nelson-system is good..
bargs is a good prospect.

[Left*My*Heart]

Al is the logical trade piece, but his impact on this team is much greater than he is given credit for. I would want a player of equal value or at least have the same future potential coming back in a trade. Trading Al for a draft pick is questionable to me, as this team doesn't need to get younger and the Warriors do such a poor job at developing their draft picks.

Our bench needs help and trading Al away without getting a good rotation player in return is really going to suck. I do think he will be traded because Wright should be ready next season to take minutes from him and Wright of course is a cheaper option.

[Mylie10]

I to like Al and from a chemistry standpoint the guy has been great.

I'd want to grab a young guy to replace Al if possible.

Tyrus would be OK, but he and Wright will want the PF title as their own. Right now Wright looks to be the smarter player.

How about trying to pry Travis Outlaw or Trevor Ariza away. They're both in our division, but both teams are loaded and have room to let somebody go.

I think Al would be an upgrade on Radmonovich for the Lakers, so Ariza would be a really nice long energy type for us.

Same with Outlaw, who has several players in front of him at the moment. Next year they get back Oden which will take up more playing time.

This is gonna be a rough suggestion for most of you but what about this scenario:

We agree to take on Darius Miles and Outlaw. We'd get a good young player, and also take a problem off the hands of Portland which might help them to make the deal and lose Travis.

Miles says he's close to being healthy again and if he can find the form he was playing with right before he hurt himself, then he could be a fit for us. (long shot).

Miles is making similar to Al, but the key is Outlaw. Miles even come close to regaining some of his long athletic form, then he could become a value off the bench.

It's a long shot and Miles is expensive, but the thought of Outlaw at SF for the future makes my mouth water.

[Left*My*Heart]

If you are moving Al we need to pick up a 4, not another SF. IMO that the Warriors can draft a SF this coming draft if need be. I want size, I don't want to give Nellie anymore toys to play with.

[Sid the Squid]

Bargnani and a resigned Delfino for Harrington ?

It's a lock that Bargs plays for the warriors by the trade deadline 09..Book it Dano!!

[St.Nick]

I would do that deal. Harrington is losing value by the minute every time he steps on the floor for us now.

[marthafokker]

Man.... everyone talking about ulgy contract from the trade. But that 1st round could become Kevin Love.

Imagine Dubbs picking up Love and Arthur in next year's draft. I will take that $9Mil/yr hit for that. And Foyle's $6.5Mil will come off the book after next year.

Furthermore, Diaw is the 3rd string PG (and another play maker) on the floor Dubbs are currently looking for. I love Al, but Diaw is much better play maker than Al can ever (try never) be.

[marthafokker]

Bargnani and a resigned Delfino for Harrington ?

It's a lock that Bargs plays for the warriors by the trade deadline 09..Book it Dano!!

We can ONLY hope.

Is it one of those BOOK it post or else?

[Sleepy51]

I would do that deal. Harrington is losing value by the minute every time he steps on the floor for us now.

Can't argue with this one.

Al has lost his feet/legs with has killed his ability to shoot and defend as he did for the first half of the season. As a non-shotblocker, Al needs to be able to move faster than a bigger opponent, and stay in balance to hold position. He has been racking up fouls because he just doesn't have his legs under him. The way he's playing now certainly doesn't make him any more attractive or valuable in a summer trade.

However, I do think it's worth thinking about how/why his game fell off as it did in the 4th quarter of this season. (This is not a defense of Al's failings lately, it's about the system, and what we can expect within this system.) The guy kicked ass for a lot of games here. But I concede, he's too expensive to completely and utterly NOT kick ass in March - no arguing that.

Al spent the summer running to get into Nellie shape. He played in every game this year. He has put 10 years of mileage on knees that have had prior issues. He had to do a ton of floorgame work on both ends to be effective the way Nellie needed, covering multiple bodies in the paint, denying position and entry passes, and moving inside out on offense, driving when he had a bigger man on him. For a long stretch of the season, Al was one of the few guys who made a consistent effort to stay in motion on offense. Our defense really is high activity duty for the 4 & 5 spots. These aren't typical duties for 6'9" 255 guys.

We asked our heavier big to be one of the more mobile and versitile pieces in the systems on both ends. Even Dre who is light as a bird and fit as a fiddle has shown that 6 months of our style of play wears his game down. Most >6'9" guys play a much more post oriented, stationary, game (of course most guys Al's size block shots and finish at the rim also - has to be acknowledged.)

To have a heavy big man playing the game we asked Al to play, you have to have depth at the position and limit minutes/long stretches of play. Like all of our top 6, Al tended to play long stretches when he played well. Even if the minutes average out to what should be a manageble 25 per game, the long stretches of play being ridden as the hot hand (and often early on used as a primary focus in the 2nd unit) brings a wear and tear of a different flavor than playing a consistent 25 mpg as option 4. If you look at the first half of the seaosn, there are a whole lot of +30minute games in Al's game log.

Even in the pre-nellie systems, we saw coaches wear the wheels off our only decent big man by overplaying Murphy >30mpg and ruining his feet. And that was in more plodding halfcourt systems for several years. You just can't overwork big guys and expect them to be there at full strength down the stretch.

So we have a system that is predictablly going to grind down bigger guys, seemingly better suited to lighter more agile big men (Dre/Brandan) but at the same time, we are concerned about playing leaner lighter bigs because we can't expect them to be the power game on the defensive end, muscling and wrestling with some of the bigger bigs around the west with no PF help. We pretty clearly need more big bodies so we can lighten the load of an uptempo offense and chaotic defense over 82 games. That's why the Mbenga was tried out, that's why the Webber was experimented with. That's why the Cro was signed. We just needed more legs. We never did find them and Al has largely been a casualty of that.

Next year, we obviously have to address frontcourt depth so that we don't grind our big guys down to bloody stumps. We have to put the solid players on this team in a position to succeed not just night by night, but over the course of a season.

Delaing Al for ________ may hold salary cap attraction, but we can't afford to do a salary dump in the frontcourt. Al needs to be traded for a big who can play, and that probably means tacking on a draft pick. Trade away, but we can't take steps back in the frontcourt. Add what needs to be added to improve the player at that spot/salary. Dumping salary doesn't affect our ability to re-sign anyone. It only affects our ability to sign other people's free agents, and our WILLINGNESS to resign our own. The luxury tax can't be used as an excuse again this summer. If it is, this organization is not as interested in winning as they are in counting your money.

[Chris Cohan]

I would do that deal. Harrington is losing value by the minute every time he steps on the floor for us now.

Can't argue with this one.

Al has lost his feet/legs with has killed his ability to shoot and defend as he did for the first half of the season. As a non-shotblocker, Al needs to be able to move faster than a bigger opponent, and stay in balance to hold position. He has been racking up fouls because he just doesn't have his legs under him. The way he's playing now certainly doesn't make him any more attractive or valuable in a summer trade.

However, I do think it's worth thinking about how/why his game fell off as it did in the 4th quarter of this season. (This is not a defense of Al's failings lately, it's about the system, and what we can expect within this system.) The guy kicked ass for a lot of games here. But I concede, he's too expensive to completely and utterly NOT kick ass in March - no arguing that.

Al spent the summer running to get into Nellie shape. He played in every game this year. He has put 10 years of mileage on knees that have had prior issues. He had to do a ton of floorgame work on both ends to be effective the way Nellie needed, covering multiple bodies in the paint, denying position and entry passes, and moving inside out on offense, driving when he had a bigger man on him. For a long stretch of the season, Al was one of the few guys who made a consistent effort to stay in motion on offense. Our defense really is high activity duty for the 4 & 5 spots. These aren't typical duties for 6'9" 255 guys.

We asked our heavier big to be one of the more mobile and versitile pieces in the systems on both ends. Even Dre who is light as a bird and fit as a fiddle has shown that 6 months of our style of play wears his game down. Most >6'9" guys play a much more post oriented, stationary, game (of course most guys Al's size block shots and finish at the rim also - has to be acknowledged.)

To have a heavy big man playing the game we asked Al to play, you have to have depth at the position and limit minutes/long stretches of play. Like all of our top 6, Al tended to play long stretches when he played well. Even if the minutes average out to what should be a manageble 25 per game, the long stretches of play being ridden as the hot hand (and often early on used as a primary focus in the 2nd unit) brings a wear and tear of a different flavor than playing a consistent 25 mpg as option 4. If you look at the first half of the seaosn, there are a whole lot of +30minute games in Al's game log.

Even in the pre-nellie systems, we saw coaches wear the wheels off our only decent big man by overplaying Murphy >30mpg and ruining his feet. And that was in more plodding halfcourt systems for several years. You just can't overwork big guys and expect them to be there at full strength down the stretch.

So we have a system that is predictablly going to grind down bigger guys, seemingly better suited to lighter more agile big men (Dre/Brandan) but at the same time, we are concerned about playing leaner lighter bigs because we can't expect them to be the power game on the defensive end, muscling and wrestling with some of the bigger bigs around the west with no PF help. We pretty clearly need more big bodies so we can lighten the load of an uptempo offense and chaotic defense over 82 games. That's why the Mbenga was tried out, that's why the Webber was experimented with. That's why the Cro was signed. We just needed more legs. We never did find them and Al has largely been a casualty of that.

Next year, we obviously have to address frontcourt depth so that we don't grind our big guys down to bloody stumps. We have to put the solid players on this team in a position to succeed not just night by night, but over the course of a season.

Delaing Al for ________ may hold salary cap attraction, but we can't afford to do a salary dump in the frontcourt. Al needs to be traded for a big who can play, and that probably means tacking on a draft pick. Trade away, but we can't take steps back in the frontcourt. Add what needs to be added to improve the player at that spot/salary. Dumping salary doesn't affect our ability to re-sign anyone. It only affects our ability to sign other people's free agents, and our WILLINGNESS to resign our own. The luxury tax can't be used as an excuse again this summer. If it is, this organization is not as interested in winning as they are in counting your money.

Careful, thought police might come after you with nothing relevant to say about your post. All that work wasted besides the joy of putting it all together.

[Sleepy51]

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Careful, thought police might come after you with nothing relevant to say about your post. All that work wasted besides the joy of putting it all together.

That's ok, RO.

Much like yourself, no one likes hearing me talk more than me!

[Chris Cohan]

We're craftsmen.
Some people just have no taste for the finer things in life.

[Sleepy51]

You just have your nose up my butt because I know people who like Lasme.

[Chris Cohan]

I know who likes Lasme.