Nelson and Mullin Snubbed Again by HOF

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

So, what did Mullin do?

Mullin is borderline. I definitely don't want players worse than Mullin getting in unless they have 3+ rings. Maybe championships should not count for anything.

Maybe career longevity should not count for anything. Bernard King was awesome for a little while. I think Bernard King should get in before Mullin does.

[turk3d]

If Nellie goes, then Vic has to go too. After all, who was the one who provided Nellie with all that sexual healing for all those years?

[FNQ]

Well, he did ring a bunch of rings as a player before becoming the second-winningest coach in NBA history, but I guess that isn't enough for some people. Even if you have some hatred of Nellie because of how he has handled his rotations this year, you can't deny the fact that he has 40 years of nba experience has put his fingerprint on the game, which should make him a hall-of-fame member.

He should be in the Hall... no one's going to deny him that... he developed a gimmick that had a lot more success than the others, but could never get the personnel to make it work. Mainly because the key personnel in his gimmicky offense are far more rare than the ones in traditional offenses, but I digress...

Does that mean we should want him to coach next year? Hell no. But he should be in the Hall... I'd imagine its because a bunch of traditionalists see his game the same way most of the optimists here do... but the HoF is about accomplishments, not style.

[Sid the Squid]

I'd vote Mully in as a GM if he'd fire Nellie this summer and hire LB

As a player? Nope.

[Sleepy51]

Mullin had a losing record in his association with the Warriors (player and front office records combined) until this season I believe.

[Chris Cohan]

They posted all the bios and, I have to say, Nelson just doesn't compare to Riley despite the slim wins margin. But they both seem like they ought to be in. Sort of like the All Star voting all over again.

If I could ever get a decent lead on a few of these "secret" voters, I'm sure there'd be some clear reasons Nelson isn't getting enough support. But Mullin hasn't pissed folks off yet, besides Rowell and Cohan.

Is he HOF material?

[Twinkie defense]

Dallas writer making the case for Nellie:

The criticism of Nellie not coaching a team to a title is improper for one reason: He has never coached the best team in the NBA.

He never has had a team that anyone favored to win a title.

Even his great Milwaukee teams were seen as pests more than threats. To win a title in the '80s, Nelson had to defeat Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish in one series, and then likely advance to play Moses Malone and Julius Erving in a second series. If he won both of them, Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar were waiting in the title round.

In the seven-season period from 1980-81 to 1986-87, Nelson's Bucks teams won 50 or more games each season. They averaged 54.6 wins each year. They went to the Eastern Conference Finals three times.

In each of those seven seasons, however, they lost to either the Celtics or Sixers, who combined to win four titles in that stretch. The Lakers won the other three.

It is baffling that Nelson is not in the Hall already. And it could be crazier this year. Consider that Nelson may not make it, but overbearing announcer Dick Vitale might.

Nothing against Vitale. I have met him and he seems like a very nice man. But if there is anyone who believes he has been more significant to basketball than Nelson, that person does not belong on the Hall of Fame panel.

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/565594.html

[St.Nick]

As many as Barkley, Karl Malone, Stockton and Dominique won.

Now I have a question for you Nick (which btw I don't know the answer to):

How many NBA coaches are in the hall that never won a ring?

Maybe someone can help out with this one.

The only NBA Coaches (that I can recognize) in the HOF are:

Chuck Daly
Red Auerbach
Larry Brown
Phil Jackson
Jack Ramsay
Lenny Wilkens

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/bh ... egory.html


So that begs the question....after 60 years of NBA history, how many coaches that have won a championship are NOT in the HOF?

Perhaps your estimation of what makes a coach good or bad, or in your words "mediocre" vs great, is faulty.

[Twinkie defense]

Probably Nellie's biggest miscalculation in terms of getting into the HOF was declining Red Auerbach's offer leave Milwaukee and coach the Celtics.

[turk3d]

As many as Barkley, Karl Malone, Stockton and Dominique won.

Now I have a question for you Nick (which btw I don't know the answer to):

How many NBA coaches are in the hall that never won a ring?

Maybe someone can help out with this one.

The only NBA Coaches (that I can recognize) in the HOF are:

Chuck Daly
Red Auerbach
Larry Brown
Phil Jackson
Jack Ramsay
Lenny Wilkens

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/bh ... egory.html


So that begs the question....after 60 years of NBA history, how many coaches that have won a championship are NOT in the HOF?

Perhaps your estimation of what makes a coach good or bad, or in your words "mediocre" vs great, is faulty.

From what I can tell from your list, you missed 3 (all won at least one ring):
Red Holzman
Alex Hannum
Bill Sharman

My question still is, what NBA coach that has made the Hall, hasn't won a ring?

The answer is (the best I can tell) is that there aint none. If Nellie does he'll be the first one, and it is not my estimation, but that of the voters (they did not vote him in).

[gs7101]

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If anything, Mully should go. The basketball hall-of-fame takes into account college, pro and international careers. Maybe if was only pro he wouldn't make it, but in college he was a 3-time Big East POY, 3 time ALl-American and won the Wooden Award for College POY in '85. On top of that, he has won two Olympic Gold Medals. While Don deserves to go in as a coach, Mullin is probably more worthy as a player.

I would be interested to see how many of the 24 committee members actually voted for Mullin; however, that will never be disclosed. Inductees must have 18 committee members' votes out of 24 to get selected. Adrian Dantley was a finalist six times before he was selected, so there's always a chance for Mullin. Remember, this was only his second year as a finalist. One way to get Mullin inducted would be to start a campaign for him. That may be enough to sway a few more votes for him. People like me tend for forget how great Mullin was as a college player. How much weight does that carry into the voters' decision when casting their votes? Also, the Warriors as an organization, could start the campaigning process by just retiring his number.

[Hopper15]

Anyone on the dream team not named Laettner should be auto HOF.

[warriortone]

But Mullin hasn't pissed folks off yet, besides Rowell and Cohan.

Care to elaborate? What are they pissed about?

[Sleepy51]

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Care to elaborate? What are they pissed about?

Buyouts and bad contracts.

Murphy, Foyle, Dunleavy, Jrich & Monty.

There's a reason we have a ton of league minimum 1yr roster fillers proping up our shaky rotation.

[Souvlaki]

Nelly may have never won a championship, but how about preventing the best team in the league from winning a championship? Does that count? I'm never one to give the coach too much credit, but without Nelly totally mind **** the Mavs last year we do not stop them and they have the inside track at a ring.

Nelson is a special kind of character and those are the kind of guys (successful and unique) that should be in the hall. The haters are going to miss him when he's gone and our next Mike Montgomery is coaching the team.