Chicago Bulls v. San Antonio Spurs

Post #1 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 3:09 pm

The franchises with the 3rd and 4th highest numbers of NBA titles. Neither franchise has ever lost a final series! If you put together the all time team for each franchise using the players at their peak (playing for that franchise), who would win a 7 game series?

Chicago Bulls

Artis Gilmore
Bill Cartwright
Elton Brand
Charles Oakley
Horace Grant
Dennis Rodman
Bob Love
Chet Walker
Scottie Pippen
Jerry Sloan
Michael Jordan
Reggie Theus
Ben Gordon
Ron Harper
Norm Van Lier
BJ Armstrong
Kirk Hinrich
etc.

San Antonio Spurs

David Robinson
Sven Nater
Billy Paultz
Tim Duncan
Terry Cummings
Larry Kenon
Sean Elliot
Mike Mitchell
Manu Ginobli
George Gervin
Alvin Robertson
James Silas
Johnny Moore
Tony Parker
etc.

Alex_De_Large · Post #2 » by **Alex_De_Large** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 3:33 pm

3 and 4? the pistons don't have 5 championships?

i take the bulls.

Blackfyre · Post #3 » by **Blackfyre** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:06 pm

Phoenix Rockets wrote:3 and 4? the pistons don't have 5 championships?

i take the bulls.

No, Pistons have won 3 in 89, 90 and 04. Answer to the question is Bulls imo.

ponder276 · Post #4 » by **ponder276** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:32 pm

So what would the starting lineups be (assuming players are playing at their peak, playing for that franchise - e.g. you only get Brand's rookie and sophmore season)?

Is it safe to say the Spurs would be:

Parker
Manu
Gervin
Duncan
Robinson

Cause that's a pretty nasty team.

JordansBulls · Post #5 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:36 pm

penbeast0 wrote:The franchises with the 3rd and 4th highest numbers of NBA titles. Neither franchise has ever lost a final series! If you put together the all time team for each franchise using the players at their peak (playing for that franchise), who would win a 7 game series?

Chicago Bulls

Artis Gilmore
Bill Cartwright
Elton Brand
Charles Oakley
Horace Grant
Dennis Rodman
Bob Love
Chet Walker
Scottie Pippen
Jerry Sloan
Michael Jordan
Reggie Theus
Ben Gordon
Ron Harper
Norm Van Lier
BJ Armstrong
Kirk Hinrich
etc.

San Antonio Spurs

David Robinson
Sven Nater
Billy Paultz
Tim Duncan
Terry Cummings
Larry Kenon
Sean Elliot
Mike Mitchell
Manu Ginobli
George Gervin
Alvin Robertson
James Silas
Johnny Moore
Tony Parker
etc.

The Bulls beat the Celtics when this was done and barely lost to the Lakers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/fe ... neup/index

Post #6 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 4:42 pm

To play devil's advocate, here are the lineups

Bulls --

Gilmore/Cartwright
Brand/H.Grant/Oakley (don't need Rodman's antics with this talent)
Pippen/Walker
Jordan/Sloan
Van Lier/Armstrong/Paxson

SA

D.Robinson Paultz
Duncan Cummings
Elliot Mitchell Kenon
Gervin Ginobili Robertson
Silas Parker

Nope, I can't. Too many great defenders on the Chicago side even with the great SA interior players.

Hard2dhole · Post #7 » by **Hard2dhole** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 5:38 pm

penbeast0 wrote:To play devil's advocate, here are the lineups

Bulls --

Gilmore/Cartwright
Brand/H.Grant/Oakley (don't need Rodman's antics with this talent)
Pippen/Walker
Jordan/Sloan
Van Lier/Armstrong/Paxson

SA

D.Robinson Paultz
Duncan Cummings
Elliot Mitchell Kenon
Gervin Ginobili Robertson
Silas Parker

Nope, I can't. Too many great defenders on the Chicago side even with the great SA interior players.

Shouldn't Brand be pulled from the Bulls lineups as he wasn't all that in Chicago? He stepped everything up when he went to the Clippers.

cucad8 · Post #8 » by **cucad8** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 5:41 pm

Hard2dhole wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Shouldn't Brand be pulled from the Bulls lineups as he wasn't all that in Chicago? He stepped everything up when he went to the Clippers.

All that? 2nd year he went for 20 and 10 with 3 assists, a steal, and 1.6 blocks per game.

Hard2dhole · Post #9 » by **Hard2dhole** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 5:47 pm

cucad8 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

All that? 2nd year he went for 20 and 10 with 3 assists, a steal, and 1.6 blocks per game.

On a team that had nothing else but him. Call me less then impressed. When he continued to throw up those numbers with Maggs next to him and Kandi down low was much more impressive.

a-rod · Post #10 » by **a-rod** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:05 pm

Spurs in 7...

Post #11 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:25 pm

Hard, you are probably right, Rodman, flaws and all, should probably be starting in place of Brand; then drop Brand to 3rd string for that rookie energy and take Oakley off the team.

TheSheriff · Post #12 » by **TheSheriff** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:52 pm

JordansBulls wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

The Bulls beat the Celtics when this was done and barely lost to the Lakers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/fe ... neup/index

Because Sports nation is a bunch of morons.

Magz50 · Post #13 » by **Magz50** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 6:55 pm

You could argue Rodman was at his peak with the Spurs as well.

Hard2dhole · Post #14 » by **Hard2dhole** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:08 pm

Magz50 wrote:You could argue Rodman was at his peak with the Spurs as well.

Excellent point! Rodman vs himself the ultimate matchup!

Post #15 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:16 pm

only his stats . . . he whined, sulked, took his shoes off on the sidelines and generally made his stay a circus. Wouldn't want him in his Spurs period.

cucad8 · Post #16 » by **cucad8** » Mon Apr 7, 2008 7:18 pm

Hard2dhole wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

On a team that had nothing else but him. Call me less then impressed. When he continued to throw up those numbers with Maggs next to him and Kandi down low was much more impressive.

How is it more impressive that he got the same numbers surrounded by better talent, while putting up a similar number of shots? Wouldn't most players' numbers be expected to improve if they were given the same opportunities as before, but with more talent around them?

UDRIH14 · Post #17 » by **UDRIH14** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 1:43 am

hey but when you look at the h2h matches between drob and jordans bulls, the games wasnt that lopsided. With the new additions of players, i dont see how the bulls can stop the spurs low post presence. Even a young drob was already a handful for the bulls to handle.

ps. i watch that youtube clip of bulls v spurs, very nice.

Blame Rasho · Post #18 » by **Blame Rasho** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 2:30 am

UDRIH14 wrote:hey but when you look at the h2h matches between drob and jordans bulls, the games wasnt that lopsided. With the new additions of players, i dont see how the bulls can stop the spurs low post presence. Even a young drob was already a handful for the bulls to handle.

ps. i watch that youtube clip of bulls v spurs, very nice.

I think you underrated Gilmore massively.

Post #19 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:24 am

Yeah, without Gilmore I would lean to San Antonio but add a great post scorer/defender to the Jordan teams and they may be able to hang with the Lakers/Celtic ones.