Official NBA Draft Lottery Discussion Thread II

[CoolD]

I am not saying that I wouldn't draft Rose because of THIS performance but just like we praised him for being dominant on every game and even before the last 3 minutes of last night's game, he deserves to be criticized for shrinking when it counted the most.

I think I would agree with you in general, but I think you missed the fact right after they went into overtime. Rose was running to the bench in one leg, because he got a cramp. I think this shows, Rose is not a player that can play with cramps. Last time I was playing foootball, I got one, I try to go back, went back out after a play or two. The coach should have taken Rose out, after seeing how he didn't want to do anything. It was obvious Rose was hurt.

The coach overplayed his starters, he just didn't keep his players fresh, but the fact he had the game in the bag if Memphis doesn't missed 4 out their last freethrows , this Rose being hurt in O.T think would have never matter.

[CoolD]

So we cut the ball in half?

You've gotta give it to one guy or the other obviously...

If we built a team with some defense, those last minutes of the game, will have more often than not some confortable leads that it doesn't matter who is the go to guy. But overall Wade should get the ball more in close games, over Rose. He has more experience, in those situations.

[SmushedPennies]

Why was he cramping?

Did he not drink enough Kool Aid or Purple Drink?

Lol! Yes!!

Chapelle's finest.

[heat4life]

I still think Rose is the best pick at #1 or #2 over Beasley. Although he had a bad stretch at probably the worst time to ever have a bad stretch, he did control the ball with authority, never lost his cool and got his team on their offensive sets everytime down the floor. He is definitely a floor general.

With that being said, he needs to work on several parts of his game like every rookie to come into the league. He needs to improve his FT shooting, mid-range game and 3pt game. All aspects that could be easily improved with hard work and dedication (two qualities coach Calipari says he has). The intangibles or as Lane called it...the "IT" is what puts him apart from Beasley IMO.

[CoolD]

I think his team collapsed right before going into ovetime, his boy missed 3 consecutive attempts. And what could of actually being actually 4, because the College rules are different, if you missed the first one, you don't get a second one. Rose missed one out of two, semi choke, but his team choked.

The overtime, was awful, but like I said, I hope it was the cramps, not some sign of future choke syndrome.

[SmushedPennies]

Rose really looked like Wade in the boxscore, playing all 45 minutes. You guys have to realize this is a 19 year old on a candy diet playing on a huge stage with a lot of pressure on him for the first time in his life. I think its too early to call him Dirk Nowitzki part two. He did a lot to help his team win, but fatigue and youth kept him from really getting over the hump. I think, like Wade, this experience will make him hungrier to win it all in the NBA.

Oh, and if they played in the same backcourt, and it was a tight game with 3 minutes left, the ball stays predominantly in Wade's hands. That doesn't render Rose useless, even down the stretch. One positive about Memphis' dribble-drive motion offense for Rose's game is it teaches him to play off the ball and attack the basket furiously when it comes to him. Once he develops a reliable enough shot to stretch the D, Rose-Wade would be a deadly duo, even if just in the backcourt.

[Lane1974]

I know he missed that FT, but before that he had hit "the shot of the tournament" according to Nantz, that ridonkulous bank shot

[HeatSince88]

Let's just go ahead and cut Wade. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

And let's not try to sign Brand, Boozer, Bosh, Lebron, or any of those punks to play with Wade. They too need the ball in their hands to be effective.

Derrick Rose, on the other hand, is a magical wonder because even though he is a PG, he somehow doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. I mean, just look at how he mentally wills things to happen while standing there empty-handed... it's a truly awesome sight to behold.

[/sarcasm] Seriously people, how is it that Rose (a PG) doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective while Beasley does? It's one thing if you think Rose is a better prospect and that's why he should go #1, but it's another thing to start inventing things that don't make sense to make your case.

In regards to the Iverson/Melo comparions, what people are missing is that they are both mainly perimeter-oriented players, just like Rose and Wade would be. Most of their plays involve isolations and pick-and-rolls, with the occasional high post for Melo to create a face-up iso. Just like Wade and Rose would do. The Denver Nuggets show you the ceiling a team has with no consistent, low block post presence.

The more apt comparison of Wade/Beasley would be high-low combos like DWilliams/Boozer or CPaul/DWest or Kobe/Gasol.

Just look at the Top 10 teams in the league and you'll see that high-low basketball wins games. Guard-passing-to-guard basketball is a nightly struggle and sends you to the lottery more times than not.

[CoolD]

I know he missed that FT, but before that he had hit "the shot of the tournament" according to Nantz, that ridonkulous bank shot

It was the 4 out 5 from Memphis. And 3 consecutive by Douglas C Roberts. That should of been 4 points by Roberts.

Oh yeah Smushed, Rose was the only player on both teams to play every minute of the game.

If the coach could of given him a 3 minute breather at one point, those cramps might never happened.

But what coach is going to plan for overtime, anyways.

[CoolD]

Let's just go ahead and cut Wade. He needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

And let's not try to sign Brand, Boozer, Bosh, Lebron, or any of those punks to play with Wade. They also need the ball in their hands to be effective too.

Derrick Rose, on the other hand, is a magical wonder because even though he is a PG, he somehow doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. I mean, just look at how he mentally wills things to happen while standing there empty-handed... it's a truly awesome sight to behold.

[/sarcasm]

What people are missing about the Iverson/Melo comparison is that they are both mainly perimeter-oriented players, just like Rose and Wade would be. Most of their plays involve isolations and pick-and-rolls, with the occasional high post for Melo to create a face-up iso. Just like Wade and Rose would do.

The more apt comparison of Wade/Beasley would be high-low combos like DWilliams/Boozer or CPaul/DWest or Kobe/Gasol.

Just look at the Top 10 teams in the league and you'll see that high-low basketball wins games. Guard-passing-to-guard basketball is a struggle and sends you to the lottery.

Look at the Wizards, Arenas and Jamison. That is a closer comparions for D Wade, Beasley combo.

I think Wade and Rose could mesh like the combo guard of Detroit Pistons of Issiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.

[Lane1974]

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It was the 4 out 5 from Memphis. And 3 consecutive by Douglas C Roberts. That should of been 4 points by Roberts.

Oh yeah Smushed, Rose was the only player on both teams to play every minute of the game.

If the coach could of given him a 3 minute breather at one point, those cramps might never happened.

But what coach is going to plan for overtime, anyways.

I know, but Rose had the last two I believe, that would have made it a 4 point game and The Superintendent never could have tied it up.

[CoolD]

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I know, but Rose had the last two I believe, that would have made it a 4 point game and The Superintendent never could have tied it up.

He missed one. If he was a true choke job, he would of missed both.

The point is, everyone misses a freethrow, at some points. Having a meltdown like some here are saying is like 6 to 7 consecutive freethrows.

He was actually 3 of 4 in the freethrow department.

I just thought the overtime was were Rose looked bad. But during the regular time, he played great.

If his boy would of made all those four, it would have not been even close anyway.

I think from my perspective Rose never choked in the regular game, he choked in the overtime. He just didn't do anything, but am pretty sure it was because the cramps.

[HeatSince88]

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Look at the Wizards, Arenas and Jamison. That is a closer comparions for D Wade, Beasley combo.

I think Wade and Rose could mesh like the combo guard of Detroit Pistons of Issiah Thomas and Joe Dumars.

It's obvious to every evaluator who's watched Beasley that he is a better post presence than Jamison. That why he is consensus #1 overall, or at worst #2.

It's like you guys look at the DrafExpress profile, see the Jamison comparison, but then skip the "meets Amare Stoudamire" part. But if we can take such liberties ...

"Look at Milwaukee - Redd and Mo Williams."

"Look at Chicago - Gordon and Hinrich and Deng."

"Look at New York - Marbury and Crawford"

"Look at Charlotte - Richardson and Wallace and Felton"

"Look at New Jersey - Carter and Harris and Jefferson"

"Look at Sacramento - Kevin Martin and Artest"

"Look at Miami - Wade and Marion and Davis"

Combined record: 14-10,900,987

[Lane1974]

let's hope this argument is an issue, it only is if we get #1
if we get #2 the decision gets a lot easier

[Flash4thewin]

Just because Rose had a meltdown for what ever reason doesn't mean it should tarnish him. Webber was still selected #1 after his time out goof up and was even an mvp candidate, Dirk is still an allstar after his meltdown in the post season, Jamal Masbum was still a good player after his meltdown in the post season. This will make Rose a better player in the long run.

[SmushedPennies]

My real concern with drafting Beasley at No. 1 is how he matches up against the elite 4's in the league. Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge (soon), Jermaine O'Neal (maybe) all seem to have some sort of physical advantage over Beasley. Obviously, a lot of guys play beyond their body, but there is still some concern.

[HitMan52]

let's hope this argument is an issue, it only is if we get #1
if we get #2 the decision gets a lot easier

So, do some of you guys hope that you get the #2 pick (if Rose and Beasley declare) in the draft so you can have another team make the decision for you? For me I would rather have the number 1 so I can guarantee that I get the player that I want.

[Lane1974]

no not at all
just saying it could easily not be an issue to argue about

[G.cracker]

As has been mentioned before, I'd rather get #1, trade it and Blount to Memphis for #2 and Miller, even though Miller's shot has gone down lately. Memphis has pgs and needs a Beasly, and we could get Rose then. Sid brought this up on Riley's show and Riley laughed and said he wasn't far from the truth on such things.

[Flash4thewin]

If were lucky to get the #1 pick Rose is the pick most likely. Miller is not worth trading down one spot.