"Clutch" stats

odb 7777 · Post #1 » by **odb 7777** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:57 am

1. James 48 210 140 +32 36.9 .478 12.6 .309 23.1 79% 57.5 23% 9.6 8.2 3.4 2.3 3.0

2. Bryant 37 132 27 +10 34.2 .447 4.7 .385 23.3 84% 52.1 23% 8.4 5.8 4.4 0.7 0.4

3. Nowitzki 36 117 43 +18 29.2 .423 8.2 .350 20.2 87% 45.3 46% 14.0 3.7 2.1 2.1 0.8

4. Ginobili 35 127 49 +18 20.3 .574 9.4 .440 16.9 93% 43.3 38% 7.2 10.5 2.6 0.4 3.0

5. Redd 39 136 -24 -9 26.8 .395 10.2 .276 22.6 82% 42.7 30% 6.3 3.5 4.2 0.0 0.7

6. Gordon 31 118 -52 -21 28.2 .377 9.8 .458 18.0 90% 42.0 61% 2.9 2.9 4.1 0.0 1.2

7. Paul 27 122 46 +18 25.5 .477 5.9 .400 16.9 83% 40.8 16% 6.3 11.0 2.7 0.0 3.1

8. Jackson 36 134 75 +27 19.8 .473 15.8 .455 17.3 85% 40.6 84% 6.1 2.9 2.5 0.7 0.7

9. Nash 39 135 23 +8 21.8 .508 10.7 .533 14.3 87% 40.3 16% 4.3 12.5 6.4 0.0 0.7

10. Durant 33 129 -26 -10 23.2 .435 5.6 .667 17.9 89% 40.0 59% 5.6 3.0 4.5 2.2 1.9

http://www.82games.com/CSORT11.HTM

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ILikeTheGrizz · Post #2 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 12:18 pm

I thought Vermont was for sure gonna be number 1 and Nevada somewhere in the top ten. Oh well.

ILikeTheGrizz · Post #3 » by **ILikeTheGrizz** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 12:24 pm

You guys remember when Arizona stripped the ball from Louisiana and then got the and-1 on the breakaway over Alaska? Arizona might not be the clutchest state ever, but shiiiiit, that might have been the most clutch play by any state ever, if you know what I mean.

Because of that play I think Alaska is almost up there with Illinois as the choking-est state.

jourdy · Post #4 » by **jourdy** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 1:08 pm

What? Dirk at 3? No way, dude's the chokiest of all!!

http://www.last.fm/user/DPF55 · Post #5 » by **Buck You** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 1:30 pm

Lol@ Redd at 5. I guess these stats don't take into account 4th quarter free throw shooting and constant brain dead chucking.

ngcoolman · Post #6 » by **ngcoolman** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 3:57 pm

Interesting stats. By looking at the top 5 of the table, we can see that both James and Bryant score much more per 48 min while maintain their scoring efficiency (about the same FG%, 3P%, FT%). On the other hand, Dirk and Redd do it with much less efficiency. Finally, Ginobili is super clutch! 57.4FG%, 44.0 3P%, 93 FT%, it is amazing how well he can perform under pressure.

JoshB914 · Post #7 » by **JoshB914** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:18 pm

If Dirk is on the top of this list then it is wrong. I stopped reading when I was him at no. 3.

Serpo · Post #8 » by **Serpo** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:29 pm

Dirk can be a clutch player problem is he's mostly the only clutch on the Dallas roster and he can't do it all alone.

Cammo101 · Post #9 » by **Cammo101** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:31 pm

A list like this without Turkoglu is a flawed list indeed.

Duiz · Post #10 » by **Duiz** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:47 pm

Cammo101 wrote:A list like this without Turkoglu is a flawed list indeed.

Just like PER... it doesn't tell the whole story.

ISB · Post #11 » by **ISB** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:51 pm

well Redd is only shooting 38.5% in the clutch, so it's more about him taking all of the shots.

combining the FG% with the Points makes Ginobili look the best.

eatyourchildren · Post #12 » by **eatyourchildren** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:55 pm

"Clutch" play is probably going to be one of the more difficult concepts to realize statistically since it involves such amorphous things such as momentum and team psyche.

One basket is probably not going to be statistically any more important that any other made basket without any contextual basis. But we've all known certain 'stops' or 'shots' that have more situational importance, whether they be at the 4 minute mark or the 2 minute mark or the 20 second mark.

Cevap · Post #13 » by **Cevap** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:14 pm

Anyone see Garnett?

EDIT: 76th? Yikes!! negative +/-'s, 68 FT%, 2.5 assists to 4 TO's. 41% shooting compared to 53%...thank god he still got his intensity...

Kobay · Post #14 » by **Kobay** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:56 pm

This stat is faulty. I don't know how ray allen is not on here the dude is responsible for like 10 game winners.

Nebroc · Post #15 » by **Nebroc** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:44 pm

Cevap wrote:Anyone see Garnett?

EDIT: 76th? Yikes!! negative +/-'s, 68 FT%, 2.5 assists to 4 TO's. 41% shooting compared to 53%...thank god he still got his intensity...

Abyss Impact · Post #16 » by **Abyss Impact** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 11:47 pm

Whose Jackson? Bobby Jackson?

Derekman · Post #17 » by **Derekman** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 12:08 am

Any stat that tells me that Bosh is near top-10 in clutch is horribly wrong.

ISB · Post #18 » by **ISB** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:57 am

Derekman wrote:Any stat that tells me that Bosh is near top-10 in clutch is horribly wrong.

well the raptors run tons of Bosh isos and Bosh pick and rolls towards the end of the game so it isn't really surprising that he would be ranked fairly highly in "crunch time scoring."

Idunkon1stdates · Post #19 » by **Idunkon1stdates** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:09 am

Derekman wrote:Any stat that tells me that Bosh is near top-10 in clutch is horribly wrong.

It's not horribly wrong at all. He is Toronto's main offensive weapon, so it only makes sense they go to him near the end of the game. His FG% in the clutch is below his season's FG% and he's hit no 3 pointers. If anything, it's telling us he's not particularly clutch at all, which is better than being worse in crunch time like a few superstars.

MagicNolesFSU · Post #20 » by **MagicNolesFSU** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:59 am

eatyourchildren wrote:"Clutch" play is probably going to be one of the more difficult concepts to realize statistically since it involves such amorphous things such as momentum and team psyche.

One basket is probably not going to be statistically any more important that any other made basket without any contextual basis. But we've all known certain 'stops' or 'shots' that have more situational importance, whether they be at the 4 minute mark or the 2 minute mark or the 20 second mark.

Textbook my friend, very nice.
You cant measure pressure and situational urgency.