OT: Rose Inching Toward No. 1 Pick In The Draft

europa · Post #1 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:09 pm

This doesn't surprise me. I think he is the best player in the draft and I'd take him ahead of Beasley without hesitation. From the sounds of Chad Ford's column today, more and more NBA people are starting to agree with that.

Here's an excerpt:

NBA scouts and GMs say that, overall, Rose helped himself more than anyone else in the tournament. Considering he was already the consensus No. 2 pick in the draft, that's saying something. More GMs than ever are starting to say that the No. 1 pick in the draft should be Rose, not fellow freshman Michael Beasley. While Rose didn't put up Beasley's numbers this year, his leadership, position and upside all suggest to some in the NBA that he could have an impact similar to Chris Paul's in the league. That's saying something.

We'll keep monitoring this over the coming weeks. I'd estimate that about 65 percent of GMs I've spoken with still have Beasley atop their boards. But the trend is clearly tracking toward Rose.

Post #2 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:20 pm

Rose became #1 overall the minute Greg Stiemsma made Beasley his bitch for that four minute segment of the UW-K State game.....

europa · Post #3 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:22 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Rose became #1 overall the minute Greg Stiemsma made Beasley his bitch for that four minute segment of the UW-K State game.....

I thought Beasley played a lot better against the Badgers than Oden did in his games last season. But I think if you have a choice between a top PG and a top PF you take the PG. I want the guy who can run the offense and make everyone around him better.

jeremyd236 · Post #4 » by **jeremyd236** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:38 pm

Beasly's a PF in the NBA?

REDDzone · Post #5 » by **REDDzone** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:39 pm

jeremyd236 wrote:Beasly's a PF in the NBA?

And that question is the main reason why I honestly don't want Beasley.

To me, there is a very distinct difference in being ABLE to play multiple positions, and being an outright tweener, and I think Beasley could end up being the latter.

Add what I consider to be possible attitude problems, passivity on the court, and defensive woes and I just don't want him.

europa · Post #6 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:41 pm

He strikes me as a Derrick Coleman type of PF.

Which could be another pretty compelling reason to take Rose instead.

LUKE23 · Post #7 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:50 pm

Rose is just the better overall talent, along with just happening to be a PG, a tougher position to fill. Beasley will be a very good pro and put up very good numbers, but Rose was the top player on a team that won 35 games and really should have won the national title. His skillset translates so well to the pro game. Unbelievable first step, great size at the position, good jumpshot, and the ability to make plays for others.

Post #8 » by **paulpressey25** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 8:50 pm

I think Coleman was a lot bigger player with longer wingspan and standing reach. Does anyone have those measurements?

Beasley is a tweener all the way.....

I'd be happy with the second pick and getting him......but in discussions with Rose, it isn't close.

smauss · Post #9 » by **smauss** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:01 pm

I would take Rose #1 as well, but I think I'd be happy with the #2 pick as well.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #10 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:07 pm

europa wrote:-I thought Beasley played a lot better against the Badgers than Oden did in his games last season. But I think if you have a choice between a top PG and a top PF you take the PG. I want the guy who can run the offense and make everyone around him better.

I think you may be forgetting about last season's Big Ten championship game. I was in attendance at the United Center, and I can say without equivocation that Oden was beyond dominant, and what made his performance all the more impressive was how little playing time he received. He not only completely humiliated Stiemsma to the point that I started to feel sorry for Greg, but he was so unstoppable in the few minutes he played (if my memory serves me well he played only 18 or 19 minutes) it is clear to me that if he had played the whole game the Badgers would have lost by 30-40 points (instead of by merely 15).
I will admit that Oden wasn't as impressive during his two regular season meetings with the Badgers, but it is important to remember that throughout almost all of the the regular season he was essentially playing one-handed because of an injury he suffered to his right wrist early on.

Post #11 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:08 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:I think Coleman was a lot bigger player with longer wingspan and standing reach. Does anyone have those measurements?

Beasley is a tweener all the way.....

I'd be happy with the second pick and getting him......but in discussions with Rose, it isn't close.

Same here.

However, I wonder about one thing.

If Beasley didn't come with question marks about his attitude, and was generally thought of as Mr. Intangibles, what would this discussion be like? We're still talking about one of the more dominant seasons ever seen by a college basketball player, and it was by a freshman. Is there anyone who thinks he won't be a 24/10 player in the NBA? Unlike Durant last season, this is a guy that doesn't mind playing around the hoop, and he isn't built like a twig either.

Nowak008 · Post #12 » by **Nowak008** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:09 pm

Why is this OT? We ARE going to have to decide between the soon in a month. :nod:

europa · Post #13 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:10 pm

whatthe_buck!? wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Did you watch the Big Ten championship game last season? I was in attendance at the United Center, and I can say without equivocation that Oden was beyond dominant, and what made his performance all the more impressive was how little playing time he received. He not only completely humiliated Stiemsma to the point that I started to feel sorry for Greg, but he was so unstoppable in the few minutes he played (if my memory serves me well he played only 18 or 19 minutes) it is clear to me that if he had played the whole game the Badgers would have lost by 30-40 points (instead of by merely 15).
I will admit that Oden wasn't as impressive during his two regular season meetings with the Badgers, but it is important to remember that throughout almost all of the the regular season he was essentially playing one-handed because of an injury he suffered to his right wrist early on.

I saw all three games between the two teams and the OSU player I thought was dominant was Conley, not Oden. I was disappointed in what I saw from Oden against the Badgers last season. Conley was the difference maker in my opinion. Without him, I don't think the Buckeyes beat the Badgers in any of those games.

whatthe_buck!? · Post #14 » by **whatthe_buck!?** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:23 pm

europa wrote:I saw all three games between the two teams and the OSU player I thought was dominant was Conley, not Oden. I was disappointed in what I saw from Oden against the Badgers last season. Conley was the difference maker in my opinion. Without him, I don't think the Buckeyes beat the Badgers in any of those games.

I agree that Conley was amazing in all three games. However, in the Tournament Championship (when he was finally healthy), Oden was absolutely breathtaking to watch. It is the reason why Ohio State should have lost the first two games (they got lucky in the second game and won by a point after Butch broke his arm) and ran the Badgers off the court in the third game.

europa · Post #15 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:28 pm

I just wasn't impressed with Oden against the Badgers. Against plenty of other teams yes, but not against the Badgers. I expected more from him given how nobody on UW's front line was anything close to being an NBA-caliber prospect. I thought Beasley, facing a similar situation against Wisconsin, acquitted himself far more impressively. I'm not saying I think Beasley is the superior prospect (I don't); just saying that I thought his performance was better against Wisconsin than Oden's were.

El Duderino · Post #16 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:33 pm

Who is drafted first very well could be decided by the ping pong balls. Who gets the first choice and what they already have at PG/PF could play a bigger role than anything.

Max Green · Post #17 » by **Max Green** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:34 pm

I have a feeling luck will be on the Bucks side again and we will end up with the #1 or #2 pick this year.

rilamann · Post #18 » by **rilamann** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:51 pm

MVP4Champ wrote:I have a feeling luck will be on the Bucks side again and we will end up with the #1 or #2 pick this year.

And if we get 6-8 we gotta hope that the Heat get the #1 or #2 pick so that maybe we could package Redd & 6-8 to the Heat for the #1 or #2 pick.The heat are probably the only team in the lottery that would maybe trade for Redd. :wink:

As for Rose I dont watch a ton of college basketball but im not all that impressed with Rose based on the few times I have seen him,dont get me wrong the guy is solid and i'd take him on the Bucks without a doubt.

I just think he is a bit over-hyped or not as good as the hype.

On the flip side last year for example as much as Oden was hyped up the few times I saw him play I thought he was even better than the hype and I didnt even think that was possible with all the hype Oden was getting.

It still remains to be seen if Oden can do it in the NBA and I doubt he will be able to do it on the level in the NBA he did it in college but the guy totally shuts down the paint.

I have never seen a guy just totally shut down the paint (dominate) like Oden did when I saw him last year.

europa · Post #19 » by **europa** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 9:57 pm

The Heat don't need Redd. They have Wade at SG. However, they might have an interest in dealing for Mo. They'd be monumental fools in my opinion to pass on Rose and trade for Mo, but if they draft Beasley a Mo for Haslem deal would be worth pursuing for both teams.

rilamann · Post #20 » by **rilamann** » Tue Apr 8, 2008 10:04 pm

europa wrote:The Heat don't need Redd. They have Wade at SG. However, they might have an interest in dealing for Mo. They'd be monumental fools in my opinion to pass on Rose and trade for Mo, but if they draft Beasley a Mo for Haslem deal would be worth pursuing for both teams.

I think they might consider a Redd/Wade backcourt with Wade at PG.Wade has played PG before.

I think if the Heat felt a Redd/Wade backcourt could work they would consider the #2 pick (provided they get the #2 pick) for Redd & #7 or #6 pick.