greatest orlando magic player ever

Post #21 » by **TheGlyde** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 12:40 am

magicburt wrote:Come on guys! Penny was fun to watch and all but there is no way he was better than Shaq. He wasn't much better than T-Mac in his prime.

I say

1A Shaq
1B and gaining Howard

Penny was not better than T-Mac.

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #22 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 12:43 am

EasternMagic wrote:nick anderson will always be my favorite magician

+1

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #23 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:02 am

Glyde, I totally agree with you. In my heart Nick will always be the best Magic player ever! I put that thing about free throws attempting to deflect the natural response when anyone ever brings up Nick....

I remember him stealing the ball from Jordan...

I remember when he averaged something like 30 points a game after Penny left. Mostly I remember his honest, tearful reaction when he was accused of rape (Before the case was dropped as bogus).

If the poll was who was the heart of our Franchise I'd go Nick then D.A.

All props to Nick Anderson!

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #24 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:05 am

Love that sig you got of him too Glyde! It's pretty sick.

Bucs80 · Post #25 » by **Bucs80** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:09 am

1. Shaquille O'Neal - Shaq was great, Penny was too but Shaq was just shaq.

2. Tracy McGrady - May not like that put he did put us in the playoffs 3/4 years by himself, and put up one of the NBA's great statistical seasons. Plus 2 1st team all-NBA, 2 time 2nd team all NBA.

3. Penny Hardaway - was good but not as good as those 2

Post #26 » by **SS_MagicMark** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:13 am

Travis Diener does not approve of this thread.

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #27 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:16 am

^LOL

I see the doogie thread making a comeback too!

Post #28 » by **TheGlyde** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:39 am

sChOlaRlY_Magi wrote:Glyde, I totally agree with you. In my heart Nick will always be the best Magic player ever! I put that thing about free throws attempting to deflect the natural response when anyone ever brings up Nick....

Exactly... earlier in this same thread we have Nick posted on Gerhalt's all time Magic team followed by pedro's comment "only if he's not shooting FT's..."

ugh...

In the 90s it was alot harder to stay up to date on the comings and goings of the NBA as a fan in Australia... I remember the day I found out Nick got traded though, I was absolutely gutted... I was a huge Magic fan but you couldn't follow the team as closely as you can now (Impossible as i said, being half way across the world) but from memory Penny and Nick were clashing... I did love both guys and when Nick was traded, after the initial despair I was hoping for a silver lining in that if Nick was gone maybe now Penny would want to stay... but of course he still forced the trade... to lose both, well it made me wish they just shipped Penny and kept Nick...

Someone who knows more about the situation at the time may be able to correct that (lovehoops?)... I'd even be keen to know the exact specifics as it was before the net opened the door to me becoming a full time Magic fanatic :lol:

MagicStarwipe · Post #29 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 1:54 am

People are forgetting that Penny was battling injuries the whole 96-97 season (the season after Shaq left). He was never the same player after that. Even in that playoff series with the Heat you could see he wasn't the athlete he was a year earlier.

Greatest Magic player is Shaq. My favourite is Penny. I think Penny was a better player than T-Mac in his prime (we never got to see his REAL prime). T-Mac was the better scorer (took more shots too) but that's it.

Penny was a very special player. How many true 6'7 point gaurds have there been since Penny? Zero.

Post #30 » by **TheGlyde** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:05 am

Tmac was more than a scorer, he was a fantastic rebounder for a guard, especially in his time here, great passer, and even a shot blocker, I'm not sure you can argue that Penny was a better player in his prime and also saying we never got to see his REAL prime...

Maybe Penny could have been better than we ever saw, but maybe TMac could have been too if his back didn't give out. Penny's 'prime' unfortunately did not last very long, without Shaq alongside him the injuries hit, his best season, 95-96 doesn't stand up next to TMac's 02-03 season

EasternMagic · Post #31 » by **EasternMagic** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:15 am

not to mention nick was by far way way cooler than penny. penny is weird now man a strang guy where as nick has always been good to the fans. last magic game i went to i was behind the magic bench and he came out of the tunnle and i said hey and he responding like a human being asking me how i was and was real cool. not something penny would do

MagicStarwipe · Post #32 » by **MagicStarwipe** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:16 am

TheGlyde wrote:Tmac was more than a scorer, he was a fantastic rebounder for a guard, especially in his time here, great passer, and even a shot blocker, I'm not sure you can argue that Penny was a better player in his prime and also saying we never got to see his REAL prime...

Maybe Penny could have been better than we ever saw, but maybe TMac could have been too if his back didn't give out. Penny's 'prime' unfortunately did not last very long, without Shaq alongside him the injuries hit, his best season, 95-96 doesn't stand up next to TMac's 02-03 season

He was a good rebounder, but so was Penny. He was a great passer, but Penny was better. He was a decent defender but so was Penny. Penny IMO had a higher bball IQ and was more unselfish. Not to diminish T-Macs great years here, but by 02-03 the NBA was a much more perimeter oriented game. Plus we never really got to see what an injury free Penny could do as "the man" for a season. The best we have are the 27 games Shaq sat out in 95-96.

IMO it's almost a toss up between the 2. I just lean more towards Penny as the better player.

Also, Penny's injuries really started rearing their head in the 95-96 season. His knee was bothering him in the playoffs that season.

BRADSPACE · Post #33 » by **BRADSPACE** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 2:57 am

My favorite Magic player ever is DA. The best is in the eye of the beholder.

Post #34 » by **craig01** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:04 am

Most of those guys clashed except Scott.

Anderson had a resurgence under Chuck Daly after falling into the abyss.

Asd for the McGrady vs Hardaway comparison, I have to agree with Glyde in that McGrady was better.

McGrady almost had no help except for DA, while Hardaway still had Anderson, Grant, Scott, and Seikely.

McGrady was a much more consistent scorer because he was a deadly jump shooter. Hardaway was not nearly the jump shooter McGrady was.

Down by one point with a second left, I'd rather have the ball in McGrady's hands .

sChOlaRlY_Magi · Post #35 » by **sChOlaRlY_Magi** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:09 am

^ Agreed (and not just because I think Penny is a douche)

AdamTheGreek · Post #36 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:18 am

T-MAC couldn't hold Penny's shorts, IMO, but whatever.

BRADSPACE · Post #37 » by **BRADSPACE** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:33 am

craig01 wrote:Most of those guys clashed except Scott.

Anderson had a resurgence under Chuck Daly after falling into the abyss.

Asd for the McGrady vs Hardaway comparison, I have to agree with Glyde in that McGrady was better.

McGrady almost had no help except for DA, while Hardaway still had Anderson, Grant, Scott, and Seikely.

McGrady was a much more consistent scorer because he was a deadly jump shooter. Hardaway was not nearly the jump shooter McGrady was.

Down by one point with a second left, I'd rather have the ball in McGrady's hands .

McGrady would pass the ball to Ty Lue.

Post #38 » by **TheGlyde** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 3:48 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:Plus we never really got to see what an injury free Penny could do as "the man" for a season. The best we have are the 27 games Shaq sat out in 95-96.

Exactly... except I get the feeling you are comparing TMac's prime to some idea of Penny's 'possible' prime which he 'may' have had if he hadn't gotten injured...

Anyway, Penny was a great player, and a great Magic player... I'd rank him in my top 5 most talented players to play for the Magic, and my top 5 best Magic players, but not 'the best' as either.

OhMyBosh · Post #39 » by **OhMyBosh** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 5:33 am

It's pretty much a consensus here that Shaq is first. Second would be Tracy followed by Penny. Dwight is fourth on my list, but he's going to eventually be first in about 2-3 years.

As for the Tracy and Penny debate, Tracy was better. His 02-03 season is better than any year Shaq played for Orlando. Tracy was absolutely unstoppable. He'd get doubled if he even tries to step inside the 3 pt line (sometimes even at the 3 pt line). Penny was a good passer, but so is Tracy. He's still one of the best passers in the league today. McGrady was born athletically better than Penny in every aspect. Taller, stronger, longer, more explosive, and just as quick.

If neither players were caught up in injuries, McGrady would've kept improving. He was no where near his prime even during the 02-03 year. He would've been the all-time best Magic if his back was healthy.

drsd · Post #40 » by **drsd** » Wed Apr 9, 2008 7:19 am

Greatness is not best. Shaq was not with the Magic long enough to be "Great." And T-Mac did not help the Magic win games.

The greatest Magician must be Nick Anderson.