"Clutch" stats

[MagicNolesFSU]

1. James 48 210 140 +32 36.9 .478 12.6 .309 23.1 79% 57.5 23% 9.6 8.2 3.4 2.3 3.0

2. Bryant 37 132 27 +10 34.2 .447 4.7 .385 23.3 84% 52.1 23% 8.4 5.8 4.4 0.7 0.4

3. Nowitzki 36 117 43 +18 29.2 .423 8.2 .350 20.2 87% 45.3 46% 14.0 3.7 2.1 2.1 0.8

4. Ginobili 35 127 49 +18 20.3 .574 9.4 .440 16.9 93% 43.3 38% 7.2 10.5 2.6 0.4 3.0

5. Redd 39 136 -24 -9 26.8 .395 10.2 .276 22.6 82% 42.7 30% 6.3 3.5 4.2 0.0 0.7

6. Gordon 31 118 -52 -21 28.2 .377 9.8 .458 18.0 90% 42.0 61% 2.9 2.9 4.1 0.0 1.2

7. Paul 27 122 46 +18 25.5 .477 5.9 .400 16.9 83% 40.8 16% 6.3 11.0 2.7 0.0 3.1

8. Jackson 36 134 75 +27 19.8 .473 15.8 .455 17.3 85% 40.6 84% 6.1 2.9 2.5 0.7 0.7

9. Nash 39 135 23 +8 21.8 .508 10.7 .533 14.3 87% 40.3 16% 4.3 12.5 6.4 0.0 0.7

10. Durant 33 129 -26 -10 23.2 .435 5.6 .667 17.9 89% 40.0 59% 5.6 3.0 4.5 2.2 1.9


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Not bad Rook.

[nate33]

This stat is real sketchy. The problem is the sample size. There are precious few clutch possessions available to any given player. A few off-balance full-court desperation shots at the buzzer will ruin your average.

Heck, just look at the total minutes played. Most of the leaders have about 120 clutch minutes under their belt. That's equivalent to 3 games. I'm sure if we went back and looked at the league stats through the first 3 games, we'd be surprised at the results.

[Cammo101]

I have a better formula. I use my eyes. My eyes could make a much better clutch list than this.

[Idunkon1stdates]

This stat is real sketchy. The problem is the sample size. There are precious few clutch possessions available to any given player. A few off-balance full-court desperation shots at the buzzer will ruin your average.

Heck, just look at the total minutes played. Most of the leaders have about 120 clutch minutes under their belt. That's equivalent to 3 games. I'm sure if we went back and looked at the league stats through the first 3 games, we'd be surprised at the results.

That actually brings up a good point. A player hits a couple game winners one season and he's a hero. He misses a few next season, and he's trash. Maybe, in many cases, "clutchness" is a myth? I sense that in most cases players are no better or worse in the crunch than normal. I'm sure there are some anomalies, though.

I also think you're focusing too heavily on who the leaders are on the list. That list has many different variables with leaders in each category. It's far too simple to look at one category on the list and say the list has told you who the best clutch player is. You have to look at it as a whole and then put it in the context of what you've seen with your eyes. As far as I'm concerned, that list doesn't say who the best clutch players are. My interpretation of its various statistics plus my knowledge of the games those players have played are how I determine that.

I have a better formula. I use my eyes. My eyes could make a much better clutch list than this.

Your eyes don't watch every game. Your eyes focus on every player at once. And I doubt your brain is capable of memorizing every single clutch play for every single player over the course of the season -- unless you're capable of looking at a mess of toothpicks on the ground and instantly telling me how many there are .

[tmorgan]

Your eyes don't watch every game. Your eyes focus on every player at once. And I doubt your brain is capable of memorizing every single clutch play for every single player over the course of the season -- unless you're capable of looking at a mess of toothpicks on the ground and instantly telling me how many there are .

Only Shawn Kemp can do that.

[CITYOFANGELSX3]

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Only Shawn Kemp can do that.

Shawn Kemp!!!

[Typhoon20]

Horrible measurement. They took into account the final 5 minutes of the 4th ? Is that really a good way to measure who's clutch and who's not ? Why not final 4 minutes, or heck final 3 minutes. Than why not final 6 minutes..

And it only takes account of games with a max. 5 point differential in the final 5 minutes...Silly. What if a team is up by 7, which happens a lot, then the lead goes down to 3 or 4 in the final 3-4 minutes and A player makes some clutch shots, doesn't this stat take that away from the actual measurement ?

I know it isn't easy to predict how clutch a player is in numbers, but this is just silly cause it doesn't give you a good and fair judgement of clutchness of players. I would much prefer the NBA's clutch stat than this.

So if Cavs are down 101-99 and LeBron makes only 1 free throw does that 1 point translate into his clutchness ? For me, that's hardly clutch. I don't know, but that's a horrible list.

[BrooklynBulls]

Horrible measurement. They took into account the final 5 minutes of the 4th ? Is that really a good way to measure who's clutch and who's not ? Why not final 4 minutes, or heck final 3 minutes. Than why not final 6 minutes..

And it only takes account of games with a max. 5 point differential in the final 5 minutes...Silly. What if a team is up by 7, which happens a lot, then the lead goes down to 3 or 4 in the final 3-4 minutes and A player makes some clutch shots, doesn't this stat take that away from the actual measurement ?

I know it isn't easy to predict how clutch a player is in numbers, but this is just silly cause it doesn't give you a good and fair judgement of clutchness of players. I would much prefer the NBA's clutch stat than this.

So if Cavs are down 101-99 and LeBron makes only 1 free throw does that 1 point translate into his clutchness ? For me, that's hardly clutch. I don't know, but that's a horrible list.

They chose the final 5 minutes arbitrarily, that's true. But a 5 point differential I think, is fair. There are no "clutch" threes to bring a lead down from 8 to 5. Within 5, thats more dangerous- thats a two possession swing.

As to the bolded, in that case, it qualifies for the statistic, and is recorded as a clutch stat. So if LeBron scores, and his team goes from up 5 to up 7, that won't be recorded. If his team goes from up 1 to up 4, it will be.

As for the FT issue, that negative stat WILL be reported in the FT%. The stat doesn't measure "clutch shots" or "clutch games," it measures performance in the clutch, as an average.

Its really difficult to come up with a statistic that measures...anything accurately, that hasn't already been invented. This is a pretty recent stat that does its job admirably.