Why was the ball dropped?

[Sleepy51]

To say the shot block is just like dunk is flat out stupid

Didn't Wilt and Russell settle this argument a long time ago?

[turk3d]

Let me clarify my positions on Bukie, Petey and Barnes (which I think you articulated very well rem). You're right they are borderline starters and perhaps even starters on many teams (at least Bukie and Pietrus), however what I was trying to convey is not on the Warriors unless there was some sort of an injury. The reason for this is that we have Baron, Monta and Jackson who obviously should be starters at the 1, 2 and 3 positions. When Jack was out for 6 games at the beginning of the season, that's the only time that any of those guys should have been starters imo but more importantly (which I think is the crux of my post) if they did start, it should not have been at the 4, but should have been at the 3 or even 2 quite possibly (at least in Bukie's case). Those 3 got a total of 51 starts this year, most of which was at the 4 (and maybe even a couple at the 5) which is what I object to. There were much better options for us there but because of someone's small ball fetish (I won't mention any names) we basically have shot ourselves in the foot. We all seem to agree (at least those of who haven't drank the koolaid) that we would be a significantly better team at this point, had we more balance and utilized our height better.

[Sleepy51]

Let me clarify my positions on Bukie, Petey and Barnes (which I think you articulated very well rem). You're right they are borderline starters and perhaps even starters on many teams (at least Bukie and Pietrus), however what I was trying to convey is not on the Warriors unless there was some sort of an injury. The reason for this is that we have Baron, Monta and Jackson who obviously should be starters at the 1, 2 and 3 positions. When Jack was out for 6 games at the beginning of the season, that's the only time that any of those guys should have been starters imo but more importantly (which I think is the crux of my post) if they did start, it should not have been at the 4, but should have been at the 3 or even 2 quite possibly (at least in Bukie's case). Those 3 got a total of 51 starts this year, most of which was at the 4 (and maybe even a couple at the 5) which is what I object to. There were much better options for us there but because of someone's small ball fetish (I won't mention any names) we basically have shot ourselves in the foot. We all seem to agree (at least those of who haven't drank the koolaid) that we would be a significantly better team at this point, had we more balance and utilized our height better.

That's important to note.

51 starts is a lot for that talent pool. Too much for any other playoff team.

[turk3d]

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That's important to note.

51 starts is a lot for that talent pool. Too much for any other playoff team.

Especially when we have better options.

[FNQ]

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1. Physical talent doesn't equal good defense. You need the will and knowledge of the scheme. There were players before with Wright's talents and not all of them turned out to be great defenders.

2. Face the facts, this team isn't winning a championship with the current lineup. Not after 10 years of being the bottom feeder. If Nelson played Andris, Wright, and POB at the same time and fed them the ball every time that wouldn't change, what would change is that we wouldn't have a chance to make the playoffs.

3. I never said Wright can't guard SF, I said he can't play SF because he doesn't have an outside shot.

#1 - what does this have to do with Wright? He's not a great defender yet, but he's damn good already. He has the physical talent and the know-how to use it.

#2 - Yeah, I guess if we went to the exact opposite extreme that wouldn't work either. But I love the implication that our team wouldn't be better off, for the future or the present, if we gave the ball to Beans and Wright more, and/or played all 3 more.

#3 - Do you really close your eyes when Wright takes midrange shots? He can shoot the ball, funny enough... its just that since he never plays or gets the ball, you wouldn't know

Who cares what kind of shot he can take anyways? If Wright were to play "SF" on offense, that would mean Harrington or Croshere would have to be playing PF or C by default.... so then they can spread the floor (which, btw, is the a cop out by Nelson - Tay/Jax are just as effective when the team collapses to their drives, like Boston)

[Mylie10]

Nellie saying a few positive words about Obee in the paper this morning.

Says he's playing with confidence and put up good numbers in the D-league.

Said he'll look at him in practice today to see if they can use his LENGTH.


Look for Nellie to be a little tipsy in practice today and start CJ at center against the Nugs.

[turk3d]

Nellie saying a few positive words about Obee in the paper this morning.

Says he's playing with confidence and put up good numbers in the D-league.

Said he'll look at him in practice today to see if they can use his LENGTH.


Look for Nellie to be a little tipsy in practice today and start CJ at center against the Nugs.

It must be tough for Nellie to go back on his previous words. Nothing that a few scotches shouldn't be able to alleviate.

I've heard that line from him before. I'll believe it when I see it (that is, POB play more than 50 seconds) when it counts.

[Mylie10]

Dropped ball.......heads should roll!

Not really.

Based on what's happened around here since last season, I don't see any major overhaul.

I expect the Dubs to resign Monta and Beans and then the Baron issue rears its ugly head.

If Baron goes, then the 2 headed PG is out the door. There's no way we find a PG tandem that was as effective as Boomsama and Tay.

I'd like to try and make the Baron for Brand deal, but Elton would really have to want to come here and that is unlikely.

Monta
Jax
Wright/Al
Brand
Beans

Is not a bad looking lineup for sure. It definitely makes us tougher up front.

But in the real world we don't get Brand.

So I see us coming to terms with Sama and then crossing our fingers in the draft.

Al and our pick is the only tangible thing goinbg as far as making a deal for some front court help, but Al only gets you a lateral player.

If we lose Baron then our draft pick needs to be a solid impact player. Possibly another pG for help in backing Tay.

If we keep Baron then you have to go with best available player at our pick, or package Al and the pick for unknown guy.

But the FO has shown that the moves will probably be minimal and overly cost conscience.

We should have used the trade exception and brought in help. Not just sit on our hands and watch the guys fizzle out.

[turk3d]

I think there's one other possibility/option maybe. Package our pick + maybe Al + whatever to try and move up in the draft although I do not know if that will really help us (at least next year) which means that Mulson likely wouldn't go for it.

[Left*My*Heart]

I think the draft is Mullin's thinking of a cheap future way for the Warriors to fill positions. Primarily he has drafted for need instead of taking the bpa.

[Mylie10]

I think the draft is Mullin's thinking of a cheap future way for the Warriors to fill positions. Primarily he has drafted for need instead of taking the bpa.

There should be a real good player at 14, so hopefully the Warriors don't eff this one up.

We could have had Stuckey, Sean Williams, or Thorton last year, but the GM has to have the balls to move up a spot if possible. Year before Gay was one spot ahead of us. He's look pretty good as our 3.

[FNQ]

I dunno about ya'll... I'm worried as about our offseason.

If Nellie is out as coach, we won't know it until after free agency... t

There's no PF/C (over 6'8") that are going to willingly come here unless there are no other options available (Croshere, Mbenga, Burke) if Nellie is coach during the FA period... if he isn't coach then or is still in limbo, what FA is going to join a team with a coach getting drunk in Hawaii trying to decide if he wants to come back or not? The only people that will want to come here are defensively challenged / offensively gifted guards, and thats at best... It'll be an American Idol-ish line outside the Oracle, of Sebastian Telfairs and the Damon Jones' of the NBA.

But that brings me back to the draft, and with POB likely leaving, that leaves Kosta Perovic as our backup C. Unless we retain Croshere. So we're essentially depending on the man with a 90 yr old back, or a guy that couldnt even pass a doghoused POB on the depth chart.

We're drafting a PF or C, and it's a damn good draft to do it. I wouldn't expect anyone raw, I'd even expect we go more polished and proven than high ceilings... that said, its a creepy thought with that criteria... Handsbrough? R. Lopez? Hibbert?

I have to admit, its hard to be optimistic about our future right now.

[Head Leader]

....Hibbert.....

is there a vomit emoticon ?

[Sid the Squid]

I'm excited about the offseason...This past season was a grind for me..Brutal in fact...I'm happy to be here...